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If nothing happens after we die, what's the point of it all?

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    We spend our days bound by endless obligations. Yet, even with loneliness, failed relationships, and soul-draining work, people still manage to catch a glimpse of happiness. Why?

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    Whatever you want. Find something that brings you joy and try to do more of that. If it's important to you to leave a legacy, try to connect to others and be in their lives. Try to make good, meaningful changes to the world, even if they're small. Our existences are only so long, and worth enjoying.

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      Anything?

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      Whatever's important to you.

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      • southsamurai@sh.itjust.worksS [email protected]

        Well, that's kinda the point.

        If you assume that all we get is what we have while we're alive, then that life becomes the point

        A lot of people that reach the conclusions you have, opt out. They move into a commune, they go vagabond, they may choose to just flit between jobs and find whatever fun is in them.

        Or, they may decide to become focused on finding purpose within the world that is, the societal structures as they exist. Some of those devote themselves to service, or find jobs that they believe make life better for others.

        Some stay in the framework of things, but do the bare minimum and focus on their off time their purpose.

        The point of it, from that point of view where this is all we get, is to find what makes staying alive worth it.

        It isn't like the certainty of no afterlife removes your ability to live and love and do good things. It can make it harder to bear the bad things of life as well, but that's anything really.

        The point is what you decide it is.

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        Couldn't have said it better myself. Time, and how you use it, becomes more important once you understand that it's finite.

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          We spend our days bound by endless obligations. Yet, even with loneliness, failed relationships, and soul-draining work, people still manage to catch a glimpse of happiness. Why?

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          What do we owe to each other? For coexistence without inherent meaning in an afterlife, is the only source of moral good the social contract that we've made with each other to coexist peacefully? What are the bounds of that contract? What are the terms of our coexistence?

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          • G [email protected]

            We spend our days bound by endless obligations. Yet, even with loneliness, failed relationships, and soul-draining work, people still manage to catch a glimpse of happiness. Why?

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            If that’s the case, a Buddhist would have nothing to worry about! And a Christian would be in shambles I guess.

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            • southsamurai@sh.itjust.worksS [email protected]

              Well, that's kinda the point.

              If you assume that all we get is what we have while we're alive, then that life becomes the point

              A lot of people that reach the conclusions you have, opt out. They move into a commune, they go vagabond, they may choose to just flit between jobs and find whatever fun is in them.

              Or, they may decide to become focused on finding purpose within the world that is, the societal structures as they exist. Some of those devote themselves to service, or find jobs that they believe make life better for others.

              Some stay in the framework of things, but do the bare minimum and focus on their off time their purpose.

              The point of it, from that point of view where this is all we get, is to find what makes staying alive worth it.

              It isn't like the certainty of no afterlife removes your ability to live and love and do good things. It can make it harder to bear the bad things of life as well, but that's anything really.

              The point is what you decide it is.

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              Well written!

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              • G [email protected]

                We spend our days bound by endless obligations. Yet, even with loneliness, failed relationships, and soul-draining work, people still manage to catch a glimpse of happiness. Why?

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                  We spend our days bound by endless obligations. Yet, even with loneliness, failed relationships, and soul-draining work, people still manage to catch a glimpse of happiness. Why?

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                  Whatever you decide to make of it, which is an incredibly beautiful thing.

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                    We spend our days bound by endless obligations. Yet, even with loneliness, failed relationships, and soul-draining work, people still manage to catch a glimpse of happiness. Why?

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                    I guess everybody will come up with different answers to that.

                    To me, saying "there is nothing after death" is a simplified model. It asks you to live in the here-and-now, to live in the moment, because that makes you productive today.

                    Of course, the world won't end when you die. You will leave an impact on the world, kind of a track. Like, when water flows over a landscape long enough, it leaves a river bed. That will stay, even after the water subsides.

                    So in some sense, death might be your end, but it's not the end. I don't know whether that helped you.

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                    • snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

                      Absurdism > Nihilism

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                      From what i've observed, people deal with "there's no higher power" differently.

                      For some people, that i call right-wing, or authoritarian, having some higher power that tells them what to do, is the meaning of life. If they lose that something, then they become depressed and stop living, in any sense, a joyful life.

                      On the other hand, there are people, which i am comfortable to call left-wing, or hippies, or communitarian, who don't need that higher power to tell them what to do, in fact, it rather obstructs them. They are joyful even in the absence of a higher, guiding power, because they can find their own meaning in life.

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                        We spend our days bound by endless obligations. Yet, even with loneliness, failed relationships, and soul-draining work, people still manage to catch a glimpse of happiness. Why?

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                        The point is to pass on your genes.

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                          The point is to pass on your genes.

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                          That absolutely not the point I have made and determined for my run at existence lol

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                            We spend our days bound by endless obligations. Yet, even with loneliness, failed relationships, and soul-draining work, people still manage to catch a glimpse of happiness. Why?

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                            Nobody exists on purpose. Nobody belongs anywhere.
                            Everybody’s going to die.
                            Come watch tv.

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                              That absolutely not the point I have made and determined for my run at existence lol

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                              Hell yeah!

                              I have procreated and passed off my genes, but it's bullshit to tell other people that's the point of being alive.

                              You gotta do what you feel is right. If nothing feels worthwhile, make the best of the ride!

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                                We spend our days bound by endless obligations. Yet, even with loneliness, failed relationships, and soul-draining work, people still manage to catch a glimpse of happiness. Why?

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                                It's a sandbox survival game. So, the first step is to survive to the point where you can start making choices, the next step is to figure out what you want your goals to be. Then, the hard part. How will you achieve those goals?

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                                  We spend our days bound by endless obligations. Yet, even with loneliness, failed relationships, and soul-draining work, people still manage to catch a glimpse of happiness. Why?

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                                  Cat videos.

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                                  • G [email protected]

                                    We spend our days bound by endless obligations. Yet, even with loneliness, failed relationships, and soul-draining work, people still manage to catch a glimpse of happiness. Why?

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                                    In my book, it doesn't have a purpose, everything only matters for a brief moment in your life. "This too shall pass", for better and for good.

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                                      We spend our days bound by endless obligations. Yet, even with loneliness, failed relationships, and soul-draining work, people still manage to catch a glimpse of happiness. Why?

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                                      If nothing we do matters, the only thing that matters is what we do.

                                      Life sucks, the world is a bad place. Leave it just a little bit better than you found it and you've lived life's purpose in my book. We are generational garbage collectors, picking up the pieces of societal trash our forebearers left behind. So do your part. Pick up the trash. Leave the world just a little bit better than you found it.

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                                        Hell yeah!

                                        I have procreated and passed off my genes, but it's bullshit to tell other people that's the point of being alive.

                                        You gotta do what you feel is right. If nothing feels worthwhile, make the best of the ride!

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                                        For real, my genes suck, will happily keep them to myself

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                                          If nothing we do matters, the only thing that matters is what we do.

                                          Life sucks, the world is a bad place. Leave it just a little bit better than you found it and you've lived life's purpose in my book. We are generational garbage collectors, picking up the pieces of societal trash our forebearers left behind. So do your part. Pick up the trash. Leave the world just a little bit better than you found it.

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                                          Genuinely thanks for that first line. I’ve held that idea for a long time without the correct words for it to explain how I feel to other people.

                                          I feel like it also compliments the philosophy of “why not?” As in, “if nothing we do matters, why not be kind? Why not love people? Why not help people present and future?” If good and evil are equal utility, why not be a good person?

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