Do you know anyone who is dual faith?
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I consider myself an atheist but the faith I identify the most with is Haudenosaunee Long House traditions. I'd say I loosely follow that religion but it's incredibly niche and regional and I now live on the west coast so I mostly just feel thankful for shit which is like 90% of the beliefs anyways - I'd consider myself agnostic because I have no genuine belief that the Creator nor his brother exist or that there are sky people, a strawberry road or an afterlife...
I actually consider myself an atheist because I was raised in Boston among rapey catholic priests and unless the metaphysical universe actually is a disinterested God like in the Long House tradition then, if God exists, they're a fucking asshole and can eat my ass. I find comfort in the universe being uncaring because if it does care the immense cruelty of the world means that God is a sadistic asshole.
But... yea, I'm most closely aligned with Long House traditions where the Creator made a bunch of sweet (rivers flowing both ways? Yes please) stuff, his evil brother fucked it all up and they've all fucked off somewhere and left just us, the plants and animals - praying is useless because nobody is home but you should appreciate the natural beauty of the world and thank the plants and animals for helping to give you life and shelter. I vibe with humbleness in the face of the universe.
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According to that worldview, would the great peacemaker be seen more historically or more mythologically?
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Yes. Alright, suppose you were raised Shinto. Shinto doctrine has a limited range of what they claim and doesn't call dibs on a whole lot regarding what to make an origin about. Then suppose you went to Australia and thought "I like the Dreamtime beliefs, I want to see if I believe in it". Supposing the matters discussed by Australian mythology doesn't intersect with the matters discussed in Shintoism, you can be both. It wouldn't be like Judaism and Hinduism where, in one, there are declarations of being one god and one son of god, while in the other, there's a whole ecosystem of gods and avatars.
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I know Lakota people who practice both traditional religion as well as Christianity
I've noticed that's a common one. And one of my favorites.
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I practice both a radical form of progressive Christianity and agnosticism.
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Most religions don't explicitly say "you can't believe anything else", just small claims like "there is only one creator god" or "wear a hat in church" when others might say "don't wear a hat".
When Christianity took over Greece, the Greek gods became demonic entities and never completely went away.
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My dad calls himself a BuJew Cath, which is Buddhist, Jewish and Catholic. "How does Jewish and Catholic work together?" you might ask. The answer is, it doesn't. My dad is insane. He does it to prevent people from accusing him of being close-minded and so he can claim he's a minority. It's pretty sad.
Me personally, I follow my own even stranger belief system, which I haven't defined fully and hopefully never will, because definitions turn into rules and rules are too binary and create impossibilities. I like to believe that anything and everything has already happened, is currently occuring and will do so constantly for all time. There's a pseudo-solipsist angle as well, where my reality is created by me but others do the same, so as to allow for all believe systems independently. If two individuals have conflicting views, their own truths are true for each of them but not the other. Those with similar beliefs are then drawn to each other and those with dissimilar beliefs are repelled, like a type of magnetism. That's the simple version.
My dad calls himself a BuJew Cath, which is Buddhist, Jewish and Catholic. “How does Jewish and Catholic work together?” you might ask. The answer is, it doesn’t. My dad is insane. He does it to prevent people from accusing him of being close-minded and so he can claim he’s a minority.
In such an instance, I go by a rule. If someone is going to say they want their religion to be respected in some instances, they should follow it in all instances. For example, don't ask a taxi client to take their dog out of the taxi due to you being a Muslim only for you to go home and eat pork which is anti-Islamic.
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Well I meant more the "parts I like and don't like." But I suppose building a big-ass wooden boat would be fun.
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According to that worldview, would the great peacemaker be seen more historically or more mythologically?
I think the great peacemaker is uncontroversially seen as a historical figure (sort of similar to Jesus was probably a dude) but while Jesus said really nice stuff they're better known for miracle stuff... the great peacemaker does have some miracles like crossing a lake on a granite canoe but most of what he did was negotiating the peace to unite the confederacy. All that stuff he did is probably historically accurate with the miracles likely being embellishments over time.
Also the great peacemaker and the creator and their twin are distinct figures. It sounds like you understand that but I just wanted to clarify that.
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I have a soft spot for the topic of people who are dual faith. It's weird, you know. If you're an atheist, you get a thumbs up from me. If you're religious with one faith, you get a raised eyebrow from me. And if you are dual faith, you get two thumbs up from me. It just feels like you're more open-minded if you are more than one faith.
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I have a soft spot for the topic of people who are dual faith. It's weird, you know. If you're an atheist, you get a thumbs up from me. If you're religious with one faith, you get a raised eyebrow from me. And if you are dual faith, you get two thumbs up from me. It just feels like you're more open-minded if you are more than one faith.
I don't understand how dual faith works
Alot of the major religions of the world have core beliefs that contradict each other
The Islamic faith for example has the core belief, God is one and one alone and he was not born, has no children
Christianity is about accepting Jesus as one's lord and savior and that he is the son of god.
You cannot believe one faith without disbelieving the other, "dual faith" cannot work like that
I gave an example of the two largest religions in the world and how you cannot be Christian and Muslim at the same time, which I thought was obvious
But plz do tell me an example of a "dual faith" that can exist without violating one belief from the other. I am sure none exist and this concept itself is quite bizzare and fundamentally paradoxical -
I have a soft spot for the topic of people who are dual faith. It's weird, you know. If you're an atheist, you get a thumbs up from me. If you're religious with one faith, you get a raised eyebrow from me. And if you are dual faith, you get two thumbs up from me. It just feels like you're more open-minded if you are more than one faith.
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I don't understand how dual faith works
Alot of the major religions of the world have core beliefs that contradict each other
The Islamic faith for example has the core belief, God is one and one alone and he was not born, has no children
Christianity is about accepting Jesus as one's lord and savior and that he is the son of god.
You cannot believe one faith without disbelieving the other, "dual faith" cannot work like that
I gave an example of the two largest religions in the world and how you cannot be Christian and Muslim at the same time, which I thought was obvious
But plz do tell me an example of a "dual faith" that can exist without violating one belief from the other. I am sure none exist and this concept itself is quite bizzare and fundamentally paradoxicalJudaism and Buddhism. They even have a name, "jubu". Robert Downy Jr. of all people went into length on this.
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Judaism and Buddhism. They even have a name, "jubu". Robert Downy Jr. of all people went into length on this.
Judaism is a strict Monotheistic religion
Buddhism is often described as a nontheistic religion, no mention of one Monotheistic creator diety. however some teachings describe "devas" as divine beings who are also in a perpetual cycle like life is, which is the basic principle of Buddhism and such is anything but a Monotheistic religionSo no, you can't be Buddhist and follow Judaism at the same time or whatever since believing in no one creator entity violates Judaism. So this "Jubu" thing doesn't really make sense if one thinks about the basic beliefs of both religions
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Judaism is a strict Monotheistic religion
Buddhism is often described as a nontheistic religion, no mention of one Monotheistic creator diety. however some teachings describe "devas" as divine beings who are also in a perpetual cycle like life is, which is the basic principle of Buddhism and such is anything but a Monotheistic religionSo no, you can't be Buddhist and follow Judaism at the same time or whatever since believing in no one creator entity violates Judaism. So this "Jubu" thing doesn't really make sense if one thinks about the basic beliefs of both religions
Well, it exists. Some sects of Buddhism don't consider the devas/asuras gods. Buddha himself went on to say divinity on its own shouldn't inspire worship.
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I have a soft spot for the topic of people who are dual faith. It's weird, you know. If you're an atheist, you get a thumbs up from me. If you're religious with one faith, you get a raised eyebrow from me. And if you are dual faith, you get two thumbs up from me. It just feels like you're more open-minded if you are more than one faith.
I'm ChristoPagan, does that count?
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I don't understand how dual faith works
Alot of the major religions of the world have core beliefs that contradict each other
The Islamic faith for example has the core belief, God is one and one alone and he was not born, has no children
Christianity is about accepting Jesus as one's lord and savior and that he is the son of god.
You cannot believe one faith without disbelieving the other, "dual faith" cannot work like that
I gave an example of the two largest religions in the world and how you cannot be Christian and Muslim at the same time, which I thought was obvious
But plz do tell me an example of a "dual faith" that can exist without violating one belief from the other. I am sure none exist and this concept itself is quite bizzare and fundamentally paradoxicalBut plz do tell me an example of a "dual faith" that can exist without violating one belief from the other.
Two very common ones are Confucianism + Taoism + Mahayana Buddhism (optional) in China and Shinto + Mahayana Buddhism + Christianity (optional) in Japan. The first is rather entertaining, because Confucianism and Taoism often have opposite teachings (falling respectively on the 'ascend to technocrat' and 'retvrn to monke' ends of the political compass meme). And yet, for the majority of Chinese history, most people - or at least most people who left behind written records - were both Confucian and Taoist.
There are also various blends of religions in South Asia, including Sufism, Sikhism (both Islam + Hinduism), various schools of Hinduism + Buddhism, and Navayana Buddhism (Buddhism + Marxism). Mentioning these to fundamentalists of any of the pure religions is not recommended.
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