King forgot his crown
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According to a quick Google fraud in Japan is
obtaining property or illicit economic advantages through deceit.
Gifts I assume are property here
So like...makeup?
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Your grandma having dementia changes the formula a bit.
Not really, no. It's still using deception for material gain through gift giving. Maybe it's more of an extreme case, but I was being hyperbolic.
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Not really, no. It's still using deception for material gain through gift giving. Maybe it's more of an extreme case, but I was being hyperbolic.
It is materially different because a person with dementia can’t legally advocate for themselves so it is easier for an action against them to be considered a crime.
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Jesus Christ! Can we get some of that law in the US?!
We do - romance scams are fraud, and they're illegal.
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It’s a poor definition because gift exchanges are strictly voluntary and non-reciprocal engagements. I’m not saying what he did was ok or even legal in other contexts. My only point is that I wouldn’t consider this fraud because the victims were not compelled to give. This isn’t a Nigerian prince scam where the victims were promised greater returns at a later date. These victims gave with the expectation of monetary loss.
By that logic, fake fundraisers and romance scams shouldn't be illegal either.
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Jesus Christ! Can we get some of that law in the US?!
Best I can do is legalizing corruption and then spend billion dollars on public programs explaining how lobbying helps the people, not capitalism
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We do - romance scams are fraud, and they're illegal.
Enforcement is the issue. Cops in the USA wouldn't care about this.
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Do you get someone a gift if you're only known them for a week? Serious question.
Depends on how bad you're down.
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Do you get someone a gift if you're only known them for a week? Serious question.
Maybe he was after small gifts like a cupcake?
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Jesus Christ! Can we get some of that law in the US?!
I've studied laws like that for the better part of 25 years and I've formulated this new law ointment I'd like to call Lawinment2.0! IRS available at Walmart for $17.75! And the shipping is free because its a download. Just pay as you normally would thru Walmart pay and then head on over to laws.com and receive your free gift! And if you pay thru laws.com to receive a free 5% offer on an additional law you'll also receive this custom deluxe gorme designer bag gift pin retainer. Its our way of saying thank you! And thank you George Carling for this fine comedy bit.
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It is materially different because a person with dementia can’t legally advocate for themselves so it is easier for an action against them to be considered a crime.
It's still using deception for material gain. Just because it's harder to scam someone without dementia doesn't make it not fraud.
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So like...makeup?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]"Why you wearing eye shadow, you fraud? Just don't sleep and get real dark spots under your eyes, poser!"
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It’s a poor definition because gift exchanges are strictly voluntary and non-reciprocal engagements. I’m not saying what he did was ok or even legal in other contexts. My only point is that I wouldn’t consider this fraud because the victims were not compelled to give. This isn’t a Nigerian prince scam where the victims were promised greater returns at a later date. These victims gave with the expectation of monetary loss.
They're technically voluntary but also socially expected. I'm not sure about birthday gifts in particular but Japan is a country where if you go on holiday somewhere you're expected to bring a gift for each of your coworkers, and people will think worse of you for not doing that. I'd be kind of surprised if omitting birthday gifts for your romantic partner without prior agreement is a real option.
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We need to ban birthdays so this never happens again.
So... We will be just spawns now?
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According to a quick Google fraud in Japan is
obtaining property or illicit economic advantages through deceit.
Gifts I assume are property here
Presumably he had to give 35 presents too.
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You don't have to promise anything in return for it to be fraud. If I start a Go Fund Me because I have cancer when I really don't have cancer, the people donating aren't promised anything in return. It's still fraud.
The cancer example is plausible, but I am not sure you would always win.
In that case you are asking for help for a specific reason. They “get to feel good about helping solve your problem”.
Your deception deprives them of their having done something good with their money - which is the tort.
In OP’s instance, he was saying that he had a birthday and you are giving him a gift.
Not the same - you can make the same argument, but it is even thinner gruel.
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So like...makeup?
No, more like telling 35 different women 35 different fake birthdays so they get you some nice gifts while they're all under the impression that they're your only girlfriend. Nothing like wearing make up, you silly, woman hating, goose! Xoxo
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Enforcement is the issue. Cops in the USA wouldn't care about this.
Cops in the US still care about a lot of laws which people don't even give fk about in LATAM, SA and SEA
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Presumably he had to give 35 presents too.
That's what I'm wondering. Perhaps he gives a mean back and foot massage.
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Best I can do is legalizing corruption and then spend billion dollars on public programs explaining how lobbying helps the people, not capitalism
The only thing that will stop them is the modern day equivalent of people walking out of rome, leaving the elites to make everything themselves.
