Happy #GlobalSwitchDay
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Oh that's good.
I've often wondered how could I make my instant messaging less instantaneous, while giving a new app access to my banking emails.
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I asked specifically for relevant issues and you just link general issues with smtp that have no impact on Delta Chat?
SMTP is not secure
Delta Chat sends encrypted messages over it so that’s irrelevant.
SMTP is not efficiency
Your phone can run LLMs, it can send a couple packets. Also this “chattyness” can be seen as an advantage as it is extremely robust and works on any network however inconsistent.
SMTP doesn’t have a way to ensure stuff is delivered
Yeah duh? It’s decentralized. You can’t ensure that the recipient doesn’t take down their server?…
Etc. I feel like I’m wasting my time replying to all these because it seems you didn’t even take the time to read them yourself.
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Yeah I’d rather not share my identity though. Seems like an odd requirement for a “private” messenger
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Right? I did try Delta many years ago, and I really recommend using a new email account for it.
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Should definitely be the go-to
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Private ≠ anonymous.
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Yea but not in vc debt so without the incentive to sell out users
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Imo it's already difficult enough to convince friends and family to use Signal. Delta Chat would be even more difficult to pull off.
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You can now also choose to just be assigned a new email account when you start using Delta Chat (only drawback is that you can’t send unencrypted emails with that email account so you can’t use it for anything other than chatting)
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Signal is neither of those
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Doesn't delta use email under the hood, an unsecure protocol?
You're better off using something like Matrix, XMPP, SimpleX or Signal.
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The protocol doesn’t really matter when you send encrypted messages over it like Delta Chat. Signal is not private and SimpleX doesn’t have encrypted group chats last time I tried
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The protocol doesn’t really matter when you send encrypted messages over it like Delta Chat
Maybe. That's from what i've seen off the website.
Signal is not private
Could you elaborate on this? haven't heard of this point (is it due to the jurisdiction on a 5 eyes country?)
SimpleX doesn’t have encrypted group chats last time I tried
It actually does now. It's a very solid choice i'd say
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As a heads up, the person you're arguing with seems to be using an LLM to generate text.
I would down vote and move on. It's not a real discussion.
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You need a phone number to sign up which requires identification in most countries.
Also anyone who knows your username can ping where you are at any time: https://gist.github.com/hackermondev/45a3cdfa52246f1d1201c1e8cdef6117#real-world-application-discord
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Downvote for what? What part is wrong?
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Yep. Noticed when they forked the convo.
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Oh, cool. TBH I don't think that's a drawback, just customised to the very specific usage. So you get a [email protected] email or something?
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I feel like I’m wasting my time replying to all these because it seems you didn’t even take the time to read them yourself.
I'm here trying to learn about Delta Chat and why you think it's a good app given the drawbacks of the approach they've taken. Over the years there's been an incredible amount of messengers pop up, 90 million from Google alone and none have opted for SMTP. There's surely a reason for that. From what I've learned, mostly thanks to Gemini, because holy fuck the Delta Chat website feels like something from 20 years ago and is purposely vague, the solution that Delta has gone for is just to add more layers. Again, something that the world has repeatedly opted against. I'm trying to understand why it's considered a good idea in this case and why so many teams and startups have decided not to use this methodology until now?
Jesus Christ, being curious shouldn't feel like a chore.
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you need a phone number to make an account. but you can chat with others without divulging your phone number
