The best thing you can do for the fediverse is just be kind
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This unfortunately happens each time Reddit steps on a rake. They tend to come in waves.
Oddly enough i haven't seen any from .ml, so good job keeping the fucks off lemmy. Can't saw the same for LW and SJW sadly, though i always ping the admins each time i see em.
If only we can keep them contained to hilariouschaos or their own instance, at least. If you're going to be racist, at least do it there and spare us from the BS.
redditors were the reason i left reddit, too many racism against arabs so i decided lemmy would be a better place. It still has a couple of the traits left over, but it's miles better than that shithole. So i'm really disappointed seeing them here
though it's funny seeing them get dunked on lol
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Sorry but right wingers aren't welcome here.
If (Republicans/Tankies/Fascists) want any voice here they can go get fucked.
If they acted in good faith and were capable of processing reality they wouldn't identify as such.
That is a very specific interpretation of what I meant by this post.
To be perfectly honest, I really wasn't making the point you should approve of nazis. Just that maybe it's worth putting effort into being kind to one another...
For example, I constantly see leftists online biting eachother's heads off (including on lemmy) for having slightly different left-wing ideology. Its not like "approach people you disagree with with curiosity" means specifically actual neonazis, and approaching someone with curiosity doesn't mean telling people "your idea is correct and you're right for thinking it"
It means trying to understand it. You can dislike someone and still gain from better understanding their worldview. Even if you think it's harmful. Even if you think it's illogical. Even if you think they're wrong. Curiousity isn't tacit approval.
If you want to think about it cynically you can consider it creating allies and knowing your enemy.
I understand we disagree on certain things, that's okay, these are just my thoughts on the subject, and it's a profoundly important one, so I can appreciate why people would have different strongly held beliefs on it. Hope you have a good one
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My biggest worry on Lemmy is actually bots and Russian psy ops though. If centralized reddit couldn’t stop them before misinformation spread, how is Lemmy supposed to?
I could be wrong but to me it feels odd to think lemmy is big enough to be worth organizing psyops for.
Not to say it couldn't be an issue in the future, but it feels much more likely that people expressing pro Russia sentiment are just people who bought into that particular brand of propaganda.
Which like, to some extent all of our individual world views are shaped by the environment of propaganda we're exposed to. We're all products of our social conditioning, and ultimately that's exactly what propaganda is. Media designed to socially condition people to a certain set of beliefs. All we as individuals can do is be aware of it and be willing to look at our own beliefs critically.
But at the end of the day I think the folks praising Russia on lemmy are just people. People I personally think are misguided, but I don't think theyre generally acting in bad faith any more than the general population here.
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That is a very specific interpretation of what I meant by this post.
To be perfectly honest, I really wasn't making the point you should approve of nazis. Just that maybe it's worth putting effort into being kind to one another...
For example, I constantly see leftists online biting eachother's heads off (including on lemmy) for having slightly different left-wing ideology. Its not like "approach people you disagree with with curiosity" means specifically actual neonazis, and approaching someone with curiosity doesn't mean telling people "your idea is correct and you're right for thinking it"
It means trying to understand it. You can dislike someone and still gain from better understanding their worldview. Even if you think it's harmful. Even if you think it's illogical. Even if you think they're wrong. Curiousity isn't tacit approval.
If you want to think about it cynically you can consider it creating allies and knowing your enemy.
I understand we disagree on certain things, that's okay, these are just my thoughts on the subject, and it's a profoundly important one, so I can appreciate why people would have different strongly held beliefs on it. Hope you have a good one
Yeah that's a much too enlightened take for these parts it'll never fly.
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It's extremely hard to be charitable online, when you have instances like these:
- https://map-wiki.com/index.php/List_of_active_instances_of_map_fediverse
- https://wiki.yesmap.net/wiki/Pediverse
- https://fediverse.wiki/wiki/Poast
- https://truthsocial.com/
I'm sorry that I cannot “be kind” to the intolerant.
Okay for anyone who is fried at the moment like I am, map-wiki IS NOT ABOUT GEOGRAPHY.
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Yeah that's a much too enlightened take for these parts it'll never fly.
Anger and fear are blinding if you let them be, especially if they're intensely justified.
Unfortunately we live in times where they're very justified. I don't begrudge people for reacting in anger or fear, I'm doing my best not to do exactly the same
Take care my friend.
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Unless you're a republican or other type of nazi. Then you can absolutely go all the way to hell.
Tolerance got us here.
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Unless you're a republican or other type of nazi. Then you can absolutely go all the way to hell.
Tolerance got us here.
Nazis can always join their own defederated server and have their little circle jerk, nothing is stopping them from going and joining exploding heads; they don't have a right to be part of federated fediverse and have their bullshit heard.
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Generalizing is logical fallacy. Not all Republicans are Nazis.
Some are rotten. Some are good people that just got duped.
It's not black and white.
Nope. They've had plenty of time to see the results of their actions. They're complicit at this point.
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And zero self awareness lmao
Blocked.
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Nope. They've had plenty of time to see the results of their actions. They're complicit at this point.
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Sorry but right wingers aren't welcome here.
If (Republicans/Tankies/Fascists) want any voice here they can go get fucked.
If they acted in good faith and were capable of processing reality they wouldn't identify as such.
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Nope. There's really not. A lot of them are waking up. You're being divisive. And that's not what the country needs.
I am being clear. This debate is over.
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They do not support the alt-right. What are you even talking about? “MAGA communists” almost never show up on Lemmy, and when they do they are quickly shown the door.
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serious question but how do/could you formalize your rejection of right-wingers? what is it exactly that you take issue with?
i'm asking because i talk to a lot of people (also some who identify as "right-wingers") and i'd like to know what exactly are the issues that bother people, so i can forward it to them. it would help me bring up better arguments if i know what other people are thinking.
so, i've collected the following list of things to take issue with so far:
- right-wingers often think that people who don't work, don't deserve to eat, which clearly puts enterpreneurial spirit above human life, which is clearly illegal
- right-wingers often take brunt and direct actions, which can be uncomfortable to more sensitive people.
- right-wingers typically neglect far-sightedness, seeking only short-term profits (looking at you, quarterly profit).
tell me if i forgot something.
The main thing is the bigotry and making marginalized people feel unwelcome and unsafe. Having trans people and Nazis existing in the same space isn't really tenable, in practice, most marginalized people would rather be in a space where they're existence and basic rights aren't up for debate and where they won't receive slurs and threats of violence. So the question is, who would you rather have in your community, oppressor or oppressed?
Of course, this person applies this standard blindly by including "tankies" as "right-wingers." She's just abusing a valid argument by using it to dismiss any perspective she doesn't like, left or right, bigoted or accepting, bad faith or good faith, as "right-wing."
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Oddly enough i haven't seen any from .ml, so good job keeping the fucks off lemmy. Can't saw the same for LW and SJW sadly, though i always ping the admins each time i see em.
If only we can keep them contained to hilariouschaos or their own instance, at least. If you're going to be racist, at least do it there and spare us from the BS.
redditors were the reason i left reddit, too many racism against arabs so i decided lemmy would be a better place. It still has a couple of the traits left over, but it's miles better than that shithole. So i'm really disappointed seeing them here
though it's funny seeing them get dunked on lolSocialist software developers created their own place, Lemmy, because corporate social media told them they did not fit in there.
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I am being clear. This debate is over.
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Nope. There's really not. A lot of them are waking up. You're being divisive. And that's not what the country needs.
They had 4 years of Trump to see the truth for themselves. And then they got to see Trump break another election cycle's worth of promises on top of that!
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Okay for anyone who is fried at the moment like I am, map-wiki IS NOT ABOUT GEOGRAPHY.
Damn I was mildly interested for a minute, I do love a little cartography
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Yes, but not at the cost of letting fascists win. Harm reduction is real.
Sure, harm reduction is good. That's what's been happening for the past century.
But you give the liberals an inch and they'll take a mile. They're only "liberals" as long as they're making money of others, as soon as something goes wrong they're first in line asking for government handouts. That's why the liberals will always prefer fascist over left wing idealists, because they're opportunists more than anything else. They'll backstab you and vote in fascists if they think they can make more money with them. That's exactly what's happening in the US.
We need new politics where hating on the LGBTQ+, immigrants, women, and putting money over the lives of few isn't considered a political leaning.
