cis friend does witchcraft
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The mechanism in both cases is that the practitioner does ritual and stuff happens because magic. Who gives a fuck what the magic is???
wrote last edited by [email protected]Except it categorically isn't. If you sit two people in a laboratory – an adherent to an Abrahamic religion and a "practitioner" of "magic" – neither will be able to perform a supernatural feat. We agree that far. But unless the "witch" wants to resort to special pleading that they can't perform it under laboratory conditions for no good reason (the woo magic system presumably isn't sentient and has no reason to care? or maybe they have really bad performance anxiety?), then it's provably false. Even if they say something vague like "better luck" or "better health", well we have statistics for a reason. Are you not powerful enough? Okay, well like, we're measuring down to the attometer at this point. If you want to drink masala chai under an amber calcite chandelier of 100 candles, listening to pagan-coded fantasy music, and you can consistently, measurably move a human hair 20 meters away, congratulations: you've still proven witchcraft is real.
The Abrahamic God, meanwhile, is constructed to be unfalsifiable. It'd be subject to everything I just mentioned except that there are a million bullshit but unfalsifiable rationalizations why a sentient God wouldn't respond to these prayers to let them be observed. Literally no matter how hard you try, a sentient third-party gets the final say.
The difference between believing in a monotheistic God and believing in witchcraft is the difference between believing in Santa Claus and believing you made and placed those presents yourself. Of course neither is true and both are ridiculous: there is another entity putting those presents there, but it's not magic, and by taking action in the real world, you can influence what those presents will be without magic. But for one of them, if you told your other little kid friends, they'd ask you to put up or shut up.
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Except it categorically isn't. If you sit two people in a laboratory – an adherent to an Abrahamic religion and a "practitioner" of "magic" – neither will be able to perform a supernatural feat. We agree that far. But unless the "witch" wants to resort to special pleading that they can't perform it under laboratory conditions for no good reason (the woo magic system presumably isn't sentient and has no reason to care? or maybe they have really bad performance anxiety?), then it's provably false. Even if they say something vague like "better luck" or "better health", well we have statistics for a reason. Are you not powerful enough? Okay, well like, we're measuring down to the attometer at this point. If you want to drink masala chai under an amber calcite chandelier of 100 candles, listening to pagan-coded fantasy music, and you can consistently, measurably move a human hair 20 meters away, congratulations: you've still proven witchcraft is real.
The Abrahamic God, meanwhile, is constructed to be unfalsifiable. It'd be subject to everything I just mentioned except that there are a million bullshit but unfalsifiable rationalizations why a sentient God wouldn't respond to these prayers to let them be observed. Literally no matter how hard you try, a sentient third-party gets the final say.
The difference between believing in a monotheistic God and believing in witchcraft is the difference between believing in Santa Claus and believing you made and placed those presents yourself. Of course neither is true and both are ridiculous: there is another entity putting those presents there, but it's not magic, and by taking action in the real world, you can influence what those presents will be without magic. But for one of them, if you told your other little kid friends, they'd ask you to put up or shut up.
You're making a completely pointless argument. Neither obviously false belief deserves respect and science isn't required to understand that.
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Now you raise the interesting point as to whether birthday wishes are witchcraft
wrote last edited by [email protected]Depends on who you're asking, from experience all I can say conclusively is that Catholics would definitely say no, but I'm 100% sure there's at least one christian sect out there that would say yes and be entirely serious
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Look dude, there's people out there who believe in magic and you're just going to have to live with that. Don't get your panties in a twist when you see them online and give into the urge to tell them it's silly.
lol I didn’t get my panties in a twist, you do you, but I’m not going to pretend I don’t think adults practicing witchcraft isn’t silly. And it’s obviously not an unpopular opinion. Y’all are being way too defensive about this.
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Then don't try to paint one as somehow more respectable? Or better yet just don't respond to a comment if you don't want to follow a side conversation? What a weird reply
I definitely think witchcraft is more respectable than Christianity, I wasn’t trying to paint it otherwise and I don’t see how you could take what I said as that. But whatever if you’re mad at me just cast a curse on me or whatever and I won’t hold it against you.
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lol I didn’t get my panties in a twist, you do you, but I’m not going to pretend I don’t think adults practicing witchcraft isn’t silly. And it’s obviously not an unpopular opinion. Y’all are being way too defensive about this.
If you were defending Christians believing Jesus is the Son of God people would probably be flipping their shit.
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Mindfulness is its own reward and prayer, even to a rock, can help. It’s about surrendering and accepting that there is something in the universe that you have no power over.
It’s not about believing the rock is alive or capable or changing things for you, but by simply reframing your desires as a universal one rather than an internal/personal one you can find yourself motivated in a different way and opportunities may present themselves differently.
I’m also talking about the traditional concept of prayer, not whatever the fuck the Christians are doing.
wrote last edited by [email protected]A lot of Christian’s see how they pray very similarly to what you just described my man.
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If you were defending Christians believing Jesus is the Son of God people would probably be flipping their shit.
Yeah I’d never do that. Also this is the internet, people are gonna flip their shit no matter what I say.
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And? There's more important shit to worry about than people being silly
I’m not worried about it. I just think it’s silly just like people who think the earth is flat are silly. Ultimately I don’t care and I’m not going to tell anybody not to practice witchcraft.
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I definitely think witchcraft is more respectable than Christianity, I wasn’t trying to paint it otherwise and I don’t see how you could take what I said as that. But whatever if you’re mad at me just cast a curse on me or whatever and I won’t hold it against you.
Sorry I thought you were the other person re painting prayer as more respectable. Still no idea what the point of your whataboutism bullshit was though. You also seem to think I believe in witchcraft, which I don't. I just don't give a shit about witchcraft because they aren't hurting anyone, and the least dangerous Christian is still lending momentum to the Christian nationalists.
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Sorry I thought you were the other person re painting prayer as more respectable. Still no idea what the point of your whataboutism bullshit was though. You also seem to think I believe in witchcraft, which I don't. I just don't give a shit about witchcraft because they aren't hurting anyone, and the least dangerous Christian is still lending momentum to the Christian nationalists.
I never said I gave a shit about witchcraft beyond thinking it’s a silly thing to believe in.
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A lot of Christian’s see how they pray very similarly to what you just described my man.
If you actually practice Christianity, and really the majority of popular religions, in the way they are intended, they all sort of circle back to a lot of these same concepts. It’s when you start attaching material specifics to these intentionally abstract concepts and governing others based on those specifics that things get messy. A true follower of their religion is often not vocal about it.
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I never said I gave a shit about witchcraft beyond thinking it’s a silly thing to believe in.
This isn't even a conversation. You just say random tangentially related bullshit every post. What a waste of time
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It's a lot more fun to believe in magic when you know it's not real than to actually believe in magic.
I cast itchy retina on you.
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Yeah I’d never do that. Also this is the internet, people are gonna flip their shit no matter what I say.
All were trying to tell you is don't go out of your way (which you did) to belittle somebody's faith. It's kinda cringe.
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All were trying to tell you is don't go out of your way (which you did) to belittle somebody's faith. It's kinda cringe.
Religions are absolutely not above criticism, what a ridiculous thing to say. If your faith requires you to oppress people for things like, say, being born homosexual, then I’m absolutely going to belittle it. And if your faith says that you believe you can cast magic spells, then I’m going to think that’s fucking silly.
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tf is a boymoder
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I cast itchy retina on you.
FYI around the time you sent this I rubbed my eye, but forgot that I had cut jalapeños earlier...I do not like you
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tf is a boymoder
Someone who is in boy mode.
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tf is a boymoder
Presenting male but identifying (mostly just not publicly out) as another gender
Usually a thing trans ppl do to avoid situations with family or because they live in a red state
