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As top Trump aides sent texts on Signal, flight data show a member of the group chat was in Russia

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  • cm0002@lemmy.worldC [email protected]

    You have been banned from Lemmy.ml

    return2ozma@lemmy.worldR This user is from outside of this forum
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    As a long time poster at all types of Lemmy instances, I still don't get why people don't like lemmy.ml

    Can someone ELI5?

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      That encryption is not impenetrable, however, and the Google Threat Intelligence Group warned just last month of "increasing efforts from several Russia state-aligned threat actors to compromise Signal Messenger accounts used by individuals of interest to Russia's intelligence services."

      This is somewhat disingenuous. Signal can't be directly cracked. Only access to the phone directly or via mirroring can expose it. The article somewhat explains this.

      I am in no way whatsoever excusing the actions of these douche-chalupas. I prefer accuracy in my reporting, though. That said, Witkoff in Russia may as well have been a direct line to Putin.

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      But it isn’t that hard to create a signal account with the name of someone high in the US ranks and send a request to these people. They are too dumb to actually validate the key of the person.

      Encryption can’t handle when the encrypt with a foe’s key and send that for the message.

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      • empireoflove2@lemmy.dbzer0.comE [email protected]

        This seems a bit too nitpicky tbh.
        The author is correct, Signal is not "perfect", because the weakest link is always the endpoint device and the end user. Which is kind of the whole point of this article; The issue is not that Signal was used, as it's reasonably secure, it's that the people using it are not secure at all.

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        people using it are not secure at all.

        And this is very much not limited just to signal. No matter what software, protocol or any other way you use to communicate, both you and the receiving entity/entities are the weakest link by a long shot. I don't expect even my closest friends to hold our everyday conversations secret if for whatever reason their wellbeing was threated in any way. And even if I did there's always other options, like targeted social engineering, to get trough pretty much any reasonable safety concerns on digital communication.

        Of course in everyday life if our chat histories were publicly available it would not be too big of an issue, but it's still something worth keeping on mind when interacting over any digital or any other written medium.

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          The most uncrackable encryption can be defeated by Steven Witkoff sitting on Putin's lap while reading the messages.

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          • return2ozma@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

            As a long time poster at all types of Lemmy instances, I still don't get why people don't like lemmy.ml

            Can someone ELI5?

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            Hex and grad are tankie instances that are very in your face about it and don't carry the honor of being "the flagship" instance and as a result were easy to widely defederate from which led to most people here not having strong opinions on it

            .ml admins are hardcore tankies, but try to maintain .ml as the flagship and thus are more subtle about their tankieness. Instead opting to just censor any dissenting opinions before things get crazy in threads.

            As a result many instances are way more hesitant to actually defed from them like they did the rest of the Tankie Triad, thus leading to more widespread visibility and in turn more widespread dissatisfaction of them by most.

            Checkout [email protected] (for those on a .ml account you'll need to use this link because, ironically, .ml admins censor that comm from you: https://lemmy.world/c/[email protected] ) for documented instances of their behavior

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            • O [email protected]

              Bingo, comrade.

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              I think it's disingenuous to try to suggest that communists have anything to do with it. It's purely an oligarchical shithole.

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                Lol I wear my ban with pride. All you have to do is go over there and use the word 'tankie'. They really don't like that word for some reason.

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                Got banned there by a dude with anarcho in his name. Cherry on top

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                  Oh, I'm definitely picking nits. I agree and said as much in my last comment. But the way the article presented it made it feel like there is a clear and present danger from Chinese and Russian threat actors against the protocol.

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                  OK, my time to pick nits: There is a clear and present threat. China, Russia and certainly the US as well have teams of cryptographers looking at software such as Signal and analysing every update and change made in order to spot potential openings. The threat towards Signal however is comparatively small because there are tens if not hundreds of times as many people checking the code as well and reporting back to Signal because of its Open-source nature.

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                  • cm0002@lemmy.worldC [email protected]

                    Then this is for you!

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                    I'll treasure it!

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                      Oh, I'm definitely picking nits. I agree and said as much in my last comment. But the way the article presented it made it feel like there is a clear and present danger from Chinese and Russian threat actors against the protocol.

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                      Right, those shouldn't be conflated (the protocols vs the phone/persons security properties).I think anyone actively targeted by a major govt power is probably fucked though. Pegasus has taught us that, so while signal is probably a pretty secure protocol, phones definitely have a lot of vulnerabilities.

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                      • return2ozma@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

                        As a long time poster at all types of Lemmy instances, I still don't get why people don't like lemmy.ml

                        Can someone ELI5?

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                        They are a minority that have opposing views. Just as any ideology, they have flaws and they just accept those flaws with open arms.

                        You could go there and say: china owns 80% of cobalt companies in Congo. You'd get banned.

                        Can say that china has far higher inequality than the EU. You'd get banned.

                        You could say that the Chinese government subsidising smartphone and electric vehicle market in china is trickle down economics. You'd get banned. (I get cheap high quality stuff because Chinese citizens their taxes pay for the profit margins of the Chinese shareholders.)

                        You'd get banned.

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                          Fucking traitor scum.

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                          • wanpieserino@lemm.eeW [email protected]

                            Got banned there by a dude with anarcho in his name. Cherry on top

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                            Turns our he's just really into spiders and is also dyslexic.

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                            • cm0002@lemmy.worldC [email protected]

                              Hex and grad are tankie instances that are very in your face about it and don't carry the honor of being "the flagship" instance and as a result were easy to widely defederate from which led to most people here not having strong opinions on it

                              .ml admins are hardcore tankies, but try to maintain .ml as the flagship and thus are more subtle about their tankieness. Instead opting to just censor any dissenting opinions before things get crazy in threads.

                              As a result many instances are way more hesitant to actually defed from them like they did the rest of the Tankie Triad, thus leading to more widespread visibility and in turn more widespread dissatisfaction of them by most.

                              Checkout [email protected] (for those on a .ml account you'll need to use this link because, ironically, .ml admins censor that comm from you: https://lemmy.world/c/[email protected] ) for documented instances of their behavior

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                              One example of this is when I called out some Hexbear users for their bullshit propaganda and then when they started brigading against me and making literal death threats, the .ml mod swooped in, deleted my comments, and gave me a temporary ban. The hexbear users comments remained visible including the death threats.

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                              • wanpieserino@lemm.eeW [email protected]

                                They are a minority that have opposing views. Just as any ideology, they have flaws and they just accept those flaws with open arms.

                                You could go there and say: china owns 80% of cobalt companies in Congo. You'd get banned.

                                Can say that china has far higher inequality than the EU. You'd get banned.

                                You could say that the Chinese government subsidising smartphone and electric vehicle market in china is trickle down economics. You'd get banned. (I get cheap high quality stuff because Chinese citizens their taxes pay for the profit margins of the Chinese shareholders.)

                                You'd get banned.

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                                They try to play themselves off as communists but I can't say I've ever seen a single one of them make a legitimate comment about communist ideals. What they really are is a propaganda mouthpiece for the Chinese and Russian governments.

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                                • cm0002@lemmy.worldC [email protected]

                                  Hex and grad are tankie instances that are very in your face about it and don't carry the honor of being "the flagship" instance and as a result were easy to widely defederate from which led to most people here not having strong opinions on it

                                  .ml admins are hardcore tankies, but try to maintain .ml as the flagship and thus are more subtle about their tankieness. Instead opting to just censor any dissenting opinions before things get crazy in threads.

                                  As a result many instances are way more hesitant to actually defed from them like they did the rest of the Tankie Triad, thus leading to more widespread visibility and in turn more widespread dissatisfaction of them by most.

                                  Checkout [email protected] (for those on a .ml account you'll need to use this link because, ironically, .ml admins censor that comm from you: https://lemmy.world/c/[email protected] ) for documented instances of their behavior

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                                  I find you in every thread shitting on ml at the vaguest mention of Russia or China though. Before anyone ever brought up anything related to them. It's almost like you have an agenda. Or vendetta.

                                  Please show me on this doll where the dirty commies hurt you:

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                                    Only once, before the immunity kicks in

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                                    Well at least the reality denial is checked.

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                                      The main thing to remember about authoritarians is that none have ever been documented to be impervious to small pieces of metal moving at high speed.

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                                      surprisingly enough, they are in fact physically just like us: just meat

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                                        Well at least the reality denial is checked.

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                                        I know my system works, otherwise I wouldn’t be immune to your criticism

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                                          Love the way THE BBC is trying to make signal sound like some hackers playset, really shows how much the UK gov hate encryption or people having any privacy at all.

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