'Meta Torrented over 81 TB of Data Through Anna's Archive, Despite Few Seeders' * TorrentFreak

[curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

Just make an llc, now its legal again.

[pika@sh.itjust.works]

you are being optimistic, it's likely going to be considered "fair use" and then be business as usual. Meta themselves have claimed that they aren't filing to dismiss because they believe they are on the legal side, due to the fact they aren't distributing the pirated content, only using it for training which is currently a massive grey area that hasen't been ruled as non-fair use

[snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone]

Each time someone uses their LLM it should be considered a violation.

People are using these things millions of times a day in aggregate. That adds up fast. $250k multiplied by millions suddenly isn't so cheap.

[corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca]

People are putting an S on the end of words like 'traffic' and 'email'. They will never understand the semantics of that correction.

[rottingleaf@lemmy.world]

In copyright protection terms the ratio shouldn't matter. They should pay for all the lost profits from pirating everything they've downloaded. Every time someone pirated it should be counted. And every time someone uses the AI trained on the data.

They can become the corporate Jesus of the interwebs, having paid for our sins.

[levi@feddit.org]

Anna's Archive: Mirror our database, help us preserve Humanity's knowledge

Facebook: I'll just torrent what I need, see yaa

These big tech monopolies are a curse to humanity..

[daggermoon@lemmy.world]

Damn leeches

[grue@lemmy.world]

I'd almost like to think an LLC would be enough, but I suspect that only works if you also have a billion in VC funding and political connections.

[paraphrand@lemmy.world]

Meta Horizons

[grue@lemmy.world]

Technically, copyright infringement is committed by the entity making and sending the copy, not the entity receiving it. Leeching could indeed remove liability.

I'm not sure if the courts have cared about that nuance when persecuting the 'small fish,' but I bet they would in this 'big fish' case.

[curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

Oh for sure, since the law is basically toilet paper for billionaires at this point.

[grue@lemmy.world]

$250k * [every book in existence] is literally nothing?

Remember, "offense" doesn't mean "per torrent," it means "per copyrighted work infringed."

[mangocats@feddit.it]

If the receiving entity then ingests all that copyrighted material into its AI, and the AI sends it piece at a time to other receiving entities, that should be the AI infringing on everything it is copying to make its answers.

[grimy@lemmy.world]

Meta has open sourced every single one of their llms. They essentially gave birth to the whole open llm scene.

If they start losing all these lawsuits, the whole scene dies and all those nifty models and their fine-tunes get removed from huggingface, to be repackaged and sold to us with a subscription fee. All the other domestic open source players will close down.

The copyright crew aren't the good guys here, even if it's spearheaded by Sarah Silverman and Meta has traditionally played the part of the villain.

[misk@sopuli.xyz]

Meta stole from everyone, including those that struggle to make ends meet, so it doesn’t matter that they gave you back some of it. Any moral qualms should evaporate when you consider that they did it to create shareholder value and the rest is philanthropy (aka pretend tax). As a socialist I believe that man is owed for his work and you can’t take from him even though technology makes it so easy.

[grue@lemmy.world]

Yes, yes it should. But that's a different act than the one being discussed here.

[jaybone@lemmy.world]

What is Anna’s Archive?

[grimy@lemmy.world]

Don't give me that slop. No one except the biggest names are getting a dime out it once OpenAI buys up all the data and kills off their competition. It's also highly transformative, which is perfectly legal.

Copyright laws have been turned into a joke, only protecting big money and their interests.

[misk@sopuli.xyz]

It’s a popular search engine that works with shadow libraries like Sci-Hub or Library Genesis. Shadow libraries are hosts to copies of works of literature and science. Their legal status is murky at best but it’s incredibly impractical to persecute those accessing them.

[damage@slrpnk.net]

They'll be fined 100k