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  • S [email protected]

    The people letting AirBNBs!

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    Okay, but who. I want the name of a specific person or organisation and a link to where they said that. Because it's such a stupid statement that I'm not going to just take someone's word that someone was dumb enough to say it or thought people would be dumb enough to believe it.

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      If property doesn't exist, you can't go on vacation though.

      When you leave your house, someone else can just come in and take it for himself.

      You couldn't even go for a walk. The moment you leave the house you stop "possessing" it.

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      It is absolutely possible to go on vacation without oppressing or exploiting others. It happens all the time. You can avoid Airbnbs and stay in a hotel, camp, sleep in a car, or just stay home.

      I really don't understand how you came to the conclusion that you cease possession of something the moment you end physical contact with it. You're gonna have to walk me through that one if you want to actually argue that point.

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        I've never understood the appeal of AirBNBs, letting complete strangers stay at my house sounds like it'd be an absolute NIGHTMARE.

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        • natenate60@lemmy.worldN [email protected]

          Okay, but who. I want the name of a specific person or organisation and a link to where they said that. Because it's such a stupid statement that I'm not going to just take someone's word that someone was dumb enough to say it or thought people would be dumb enough to believe it.

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          It was all over the BC online forums when the province banned short term rentals outside primary residence.

          There were op eds, bad studies, lying companies etc. Here a few from quick internet search

          A crappy study trying to gaslight people. This was all over. https://www.biv.com/news/real-estate/airbnbs-dont-cause-residential-rent-increases-conference-board-8273746

          Air bnb makes the argument they aren't responsible
          https://www.airbnb.ca/e/closerlook

          Arguing it lowers costs
          https://news.ncsu.edu/2024/10/airbnb-and-housing-costs/

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            Airbnb used to be great.. I could rent out a spare room and make a bit of cash. Then the developers, and the people who weren't responsible enough to be landlords had to make houses that were all AirBnb.

            Why don't these places vet Airbnbs instead of straight banning it. Owner occupied dwellings should get a pass.

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            • C [email protected]

              If property doesn't exist, you can't go on vacation though.

              When you leave your house, someone else can just come in and take it for himself.

              You couldn't even go for a walk. The moment you leave the house you stop "possessing" it.

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              If property doesn’t exist, you can’t go on vacation though.

              We're getting dangerously close to "under Communism, you will share a toothbrush"

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              • natenate60@lemmy.worldN [email protected]

                Okay, but who. I want the name of a specific person or organisation and a link to where they said that. Because it's such a stupid statement that I'm not going to just take someone's word that someone was dumb enough to say it or thought people would be dumb enough to believe it.

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                Sorry, I thought you were joking and was playing along!

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                  Air bnbs are a cancer. You should be ashamed of yourself if your buying property then renting it out. With what they charge they are able to pay tge mortgage in 3 nights

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                  Funny how we vilify those who are renting it out, but not those that are renting. Its the scalper argument all over again. Blaming the seller, but not the buyer who creates the market. If no one rents, then no one is going to buy to set up an airbnb.

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                  • teamteddy@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

                    I've never understood the appeal of AirBNBs, letting complete strangers stay at my house sounds like it'd be an absolute NIGHTMARE.

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                    It's not people's houses anymore. It's all property investors.

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                    • P [email protected]

                      why would anarchism be a solution to this, surely it would make it worse?

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                      Pardon the confusion. This is Lemmy, anarchism is a utopistic solution where everyone sings kumbaya and gets along, not an apocalyptic hellscape where the people with the most guns amass all power. Fortunately, there has never been a societal experiment to determine what anarchy really is, so no one has to be proven wrong.

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                        Funny how we vilify those who are renting it out, but not those that are renting. Its the scalper argument all over again. Blaming the seller, but not the buyer who creates the market. If no one rents, then no one is going to buy to set up an airbnb.

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                        What about induced demand?

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                        • Z [email protected]

                          Pardon the confusion. This is Lemmy, anarchism is a utopistic solution where everyone sings kumbaya and gets along, not an apocalyptic hellscape where the people with the most guns amass all power. Fortunately, there has never been a societal experiment to determine what anarchy really is, so no one has to be proven wrong.

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                          not an apocalyptic hellscape where the people with the most guns amass all power

                          Hahaha yeah that's totally not what capitalism is at all, right guys? ...right?

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                            Funny how we vilify those who are renting it out, but not those that are renting. Its the scalper argument all over again. Blaming the seller, but not the buyer who creates the market. If no one rents, then no one is going to buy to set up an airbnb.

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                            And this is why governemental regulation is the only way and why capitalism has its problems: Capitalists blaming the consumenr for the existing market. People will use the offer the capitalists create for them if it is convenient for them and they draw an advantage from it. Of course you can always blame the consumer, and protect the guy who out of pure compassion creates a market that destroys our world even faster. But hey, at least someone profitet from it in the meanwhile.

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                            • speculater@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                              Cute. Who protects the property? Mutual Aid sounds nice on paper. The truth of human nature is that the strong will take anything you work to build.

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                              yeah, we don't want the strong taking everything you build. Just bend over and let the rich do it instead, because that's better for some reason

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                                Funny how we vilify those who are renting it out, but not those that are renting. Its the scalper argument all over again. Blaming the seller, but not the buyer who creates the market. If no one rents, then no one is going to buy to set up an airbnb.

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                                I'd agree with you a lot more if AirBnB wasn't a lot cheaper than any hotel or other travel accommodation. A town that relies on tourism might be different, but in the USA I save about $100 and get a more private place to stay.

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                                  Air bnbs are a cancer. You should be ashamed of yourself if your buying property then renting it out. With what they charge they are able to pay tge mortgage in 3 nights

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                                  Don't hate the player, hate the game.

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                                    It never ceases to amaze me how people get get so brainwashed on xenophobia and hating tourists when its their government at fault.

                                    Edit: Well looks like 18 lemmy users didn't read the news. Locals in barcelonia were literally harassing tourists with water-guns, instead of actually protesting against their government.

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                                    • salty_chief@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                                      I live in Florida and we had an influx of people. Mainly due to Florida not shutting down during Covid. I traveled to Puerto Rico during that time and they were shut down. Most of the Bahamas Islands were shutdown as well.

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                                      My wife and went on our honeymoon in 2022 to Puerto Rico, and it was honestly pretty lax. We were on the west side in and around Rincon.

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                                        Don't hate the player, hate the game.

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                                        That what the billionaire says when I tell them how bad their private jets and yachts are for the environment.

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                                        • chewables@piefed.socialC [email protected]

                                          not an apocalyptic hellscape where the people with the most guns amass all power

                                          Hahaha yeah that's totally not what capitalism is at all, right guys? ...right?

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                                          Right, but they didn't talk about capitalism.

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