German election live: Centre-right CDU and CSU parties win, say exit polls Far-right Alternative for Germany records best result with close to 20 per cent of the vote
-
Good old boring politics. Those were the days...
-
SPD has all but officially confirmed their willingness to negotiate a coalition. There FPD won't have enough votes, if any. And the greens are too far apart.
-
The only consolation is that the left got nearly 9% and green around 13% making 21% in total. A shame they won't make it into the coalition though.
-
While the scale-up is in progress, a non-aggression pact with Russia would be prudent.
What for? Srsly what for? Russia proved they shit on bilateral and multilateral contracts and the Geneva convention. Why should anyone reward them with a NAP?
-
Yeah, what I would give for more milquetoast leadership in Washington instead of this dumpster fire.
-
Unfortunately those days gave AfD what they needed to attract the common man. A forgotten working class.
-
The AfD really started picking up support with the asylum crisis, we had many boring years before that.
-
I just think that you can't just follow a standard "boring" centre-right policy playbook and expect the far-right voters to disappear. AfD might get classified as an extremist group and not be allowed in the next election, but that demographic won't go anywhere. In fact, having their representation forcibly removed from parliament is likely to galvanise them.
The underlying problems need to be addressed.
-
That is, wow. I guess it's true, but ATM it feels too high to be real. Like I also heard about two states having closer to 20% voter turnout. Which surely are outliers (and WTF is wrong with people to not vote with so much at stake), but still 84% is very high.
Sooo I just make a comment on social media stating my opinion asking for other opinions ... Alright I found something more useful: https://www.wahlen.info/bundestagswahl/wahlbeteiligung/
It seems conservative Bavaria was pulling the turnout train.
-
Germany could always turn on them when the time is right.
That's too close to history to be an accident. I take the whole 2nd paragraph as satire, which I like.
-
One part is addressing the problem, another part is addressing the lies that have exaggerated the problem. Both are important.
-
Yes, they've been lied to about the reason for their lives are hard and the problems they have. However they won't accept that they have been lied to through if all you do is tell them. Words won't do it. Actions are necessary to demonstrate they are wrong.
-
I keep saying, you guys only strengthen the other side when you try to control what people are allowed to say and even think.
Focus on up vs. down, not left vs. right. We're being distracted by cultural issues while the ruling class fucks us with fiscal ones.
Every single person who focuses on the culture war over the class war is playing right into the hands of our rulers.
-
you guys only strengthen the other side when you try to control what people are allowed to say and even think.
Somebody fell for right wing propaganda.
-
Not really.
-
This will be a stable, centrist, boring government, typically German. Too little progress, but no catastrophe
And this will be the problem and drive even more people to the AfD. If nothing ever changes, people want to look for something else. For an alternative. And on the surface some points of AfD sound appealing, and if you aren't a foreigner, you can "turn a blind eye" on the nazi stuff. With a Groko and standstill for 4 more years, I'm afraid that next time we won't be so lucky and AfD will actually be the strongest party.
It is very ironic because for the first time after 16 years things did change but somehow the government was still blamed and bashed. Let alone that the biggest problem was not SPD and Greens but that the minister of finance was only focused on politics for the minister of finance. I'm happy this fuckwit finally resigned, but we could have had a great minority government that would have actually enabled change if he had just decided to do this earlier. Instead, thank you Christian, you've driven the whole country down a path where we are supposed to be happy that a conservative party who fucked the country for 16 years is the strongest power yet again and that "they promised" to not form a coalition with AfD. DeMoCRaCy wOn.
-
Left vs right is literally down vs up
-
No, it's not. I'm sorry if you're delusional enough to think otherwise.
-
Yeah, leftist politics will drive more people to the AfD, conservative politics will drive more people to the AfD, ignoring the AfD will drive more people to the AfD, giving them too much air time will drive more people to the AfD, yadayadayada....
This was the election with the highest voter turnout in 40 years and the AfD got 20%.
The same 20% who have consistently given far-right and anti-semitic answers in opinion polls and political studies all throughout the recent history of the Bundesrepublik.
There were always 20% Nazis here, they just didn't vote in past elections, or they voted CDU/CSU.
Our political system can deal with those 20%, whether they have their own party or not. That's exactly what the German constitution was designed to do right from the start. -
Boring and little progress IS a catastrophe.
