Are we modern humans, across the board, enormous wussies compared to people, say, 150+ years ago?
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I'm afraid we're accumulating genetic defects and weaknesses because we're not allowing them to be weeded out anymore.
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I’m not sure I have seen any evidence to suggest that US life expectancy is decreasing. Mind sharing any sources on that? As far as I can see it has been growing since 2021 annually, obviously having been lowered because of COVID-19.
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Maybe not... nutrition and general health care are a lot better these days, as is education and general access to information so if you took say, a 40-year old from 1875 and introduced them to a 40-year old from 2025, they might see someone who's bigger than them, has perfect teeth, looks half their age, and has a pretty broad general knowledge about all sorts of things they'd know nothing about.
A bit like if a 40-year old from today met someone from the year 2175 who looked about 20, was insanely fit and a foot taller than them and could casually describe how the cure for cancer, AGI, quantum computers and fusion power worked. Could be pretty intimidating!
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What? Soft? Do you think they would mock us for having industrialised society with food and medicines and public schools and well educated people and jobs that don't break your body at the age of 35? Why would they do that? Would you look into the future and mock them for having a cure for cancer and HIV and Alzheimer's and better health and foods and even more comfortable living and transport and jobs and entertainment?
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Strong men create good times, good times create weak men, weak men create bad times, bad times create strong men.
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Physically, most of us are way weaker and in worse physical shape. (Look at old time photos for far people, or sideshow people labelled as "world's fattest man" who would not raise an eyebrow lumbering through walmart these days.) I wonder how the balance of more manual work vs our sedentary and fatty lifestyles would play out.
I also think folks were more ready to die or get hurt as that's just how things happened, so probably more willing to be beaten as part of a strike etc.
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Literal fascist rhetoric
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Your question made me think about comedian Ryan Hamilton's bit about the New Yorker visiting rural Idaho and wandering off to get gluten free cupcakes never to be seen again.
We for sure have it easier today.
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We'd have less tolerance to suffering. But we're also way healthier so our bodies would be stronger and faster.
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Modern pedon is a Grade A bootlicker that thinks he is part of the club.
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edit: /world
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That's an interesting question. Many people are answering the question "Would people from 150 years ago think the quality of life is better" instead of "Would they think modern people are weaker."
I think that depends on how you define "weak" or "strong." Physically, I think there is less manual labor needed, so in general people from the past may look at us as weaker. The understanding of mental health and resilience is lesser in the past, but if conveyed in relative terms, I do think they would see how more resilient we need to generally be to things now like doom scrolling and algorithms that we are exposed to in the present.
Humans are pretty adaptable. Since we generally have more access to resources now, I would argue modernity has the side effect of hindering our sense of agency. Likewise, we are adapting different "strengths" based on the challenges we get in the present.
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Thanks for your answer! I was afraid I had posed the question wrong somehow but this is exactly what I was getting at.
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Yes they would think we were softies.
I even see it just in my families immediate generations. My grandfather rode his bike everywhere, and never owned a car. He was fit. He got hit by a car once and waited at the hospital, after a few hours he said screw it, and cycled home.
For me growing up most families had one car, which the working parent drove, so if you needed to get to a friends house or anywhere it was by foot or by bike if it was outside of town. Or waiting several hours at a place for a ride. Being further from home meant you had to sometimes get creative for food. Friend and I once sharpened sticks and spearfished and cooked lunch over a dried stick fire rather than walk all the way back home.
My adult kids are hardworking individuals but they grew up with more modern convenience of 2 cars, uber, functioning bus system, food delivery. If their car or phone app broke, I think they would find walking or biking somewhere a deterrent to following through, especially if it was raining.
And there is the teen generation who you hear instantly complain "oh my gawd, my uber is like 1 minute late, like I have been standing here sooo long" LOL
And a parent suggesting they walk leads to "oh my gawduh, then I will be all sweaty!"That teen is never spearfishing because the walk home is too far. If their phone dies (along with payment app) they will probably have a breakdown/ feel stranded. My grandfather would never be able to fathom somebody being so unreliant onthemselves let along Somebody from 150 years ago seeing an able bodied teen not be able to use their legs.
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You may be confusing actual strong men, the men who made the new deal, the greatest generation who fought world wars and survived the great depression with fake man baby toddler "strong men" such as putin, jong il, erdogan, musk, and shitler. I stand by the strong men of the greatest generation created good times which led to this generation of neo-fascist man babies. Real men dont perform masculinity.
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And soft men make you hard
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Ah, but you see people in the 1920’s had to fight for their immune defense to polio. People in the 2020’s were handed theirs on a silver syringe and are, therefore, wussies
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Quality of life is definitely exponentially better than it was at that time. However, while we may not face the same physical turmoils, I believe the mental turmoil is much, much greater in the modern day. We do not have nearly as much concern for physical health, but mental health has hit the floor. I don’t know that the general human condition is necessarily “better” or “worse”, just different
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Here's a half hour video on how industrial work differed from agricultural work
There are some cases where stresses back then were worse than today, but there are a lot of cases where today is worse from the point of view of certain stresses.
You also have differences in expectations. For instance, it was common for children to die due to different reasons. That vastly changes the parent-child dynamic.
