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How can we make the Fediverse more positive and wholesome?

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    My biggest issue with the fediverse and all alt social media in general is due to the current social climate and censorship on mainstream SM platforms, every alt platform is inundated with politics. Politics is very hot button, it breeds negative interactions and very often is worded in such a way that its very ragebait-y in order to increase engagement. I have this issue with Bluesky as well, even after blocking bad actors and bad communities, and muting keywords I still find myself overwhelmed with political content and I find it difficult to not engage even if I support the causes.

    When I consume media that is not politically related, I find people are very positive and easy to connect with, the problem is that type of content is few and far between.

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      I've noticed that people seem to agree with the person they "think" is winning the argument and turns it into a game of butting heads, when I don't think that is how social media should be treated anyways.

      The whole point is people don't know what you do and these spaces are supposed to be for coming together and communicating in a digital space instead of a physical space and then you share. But because it's all practically to an audience people treat the conversation like a gladiator combat where someone needs to speak more confidently and belittle the other as to show their strength and get the upvotes. Or their humor to show they don't care and are more funny than the other. It's so competitive.

      Honestly the best interactions come from the people who don't use the platform as much and just talk like a person asking what other people think and responding reasonably. No assumptions of using the platform as a stage, no attempts to "win", shouldn't even be thinking you will get the other person to agree with you just that you both leave with more than what you came in with.
      And that needs to be especially true for the fact that new younger people will come in and having no expectations of what they should already know or be but welcoming them in anyways is how it will have to continue.

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        Please post more wholesome content

        I tried some magic mushrooms the other day, has ab absolute horrible trip and decided to just watch something wholesome and funny.

        I went to Lemmy

        That did not go over well, all my content was cynical, sad, sarcastic... It made me feel even worse. I went on to try and watch some simply laugh Comedy, couldn't find friends anywhere, tried to find it on YouTube, big mistake.... Long story short, it was the longest night of my life and I'll bever ever try that shit again but for heavens sake, please try posting more actual positive and or funny content!

        Any subs anyone could recommend for that?

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        If you want something great for being funny wholesome and weird while tripping I can't recommend a sub but I always really like this Jacob Wysocki video and just sketch comedy channels like Door Monster and Chris and Jack, etc...

        Otherwise on here I like the comic communities. They have been pretty good.

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          Tax the rich out of existence and watch how the quality of life goes up everywhere and everything starts being good again.

          Idk, I think the fediverse is sufficiently positive. I also think society is going through a wealth inequality period common with most of history, and we're either going to correct it or continue to suffer on a global scale. I don't think I want to be a part of any aggregation site that isn't tuned into the real world.

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          There seems to be this concept that humans do their best when under pressure and I really think that is wrong, heck science literally agrees with me and so does history.

          When people are uncomfortable and struggling they really just suck. Short fuse, anxiety, and uncreative. But during extremely peaceful and well funded times people prosper and contribute better. Look at how much we got out of the post world war 2 era of just funding and building more that gave us new genres of music and art and it's from free time and comfort that people can get creative. Humans love to be lazy but get bored quick. It's the center of all our innovation.

          So, I agree that a better world would give us better everything but not really actionable advice for the moment in here though right?

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            There seems to be this concept that humans do their best when under pressure and I really think that is wrong, heck science literally agrees with me and so does history.

            When people are uncomfortable and struggling they really just suck. Short fuse, anxiety, and uncreative. But during extremely peaceful and well funded times people prosper and contribute better. Look at how much we got out of the post world war 2 era of just funding and building more that gave us new genres of music and art and it's from free time and comfort that people can get creative. Humans love to be lazy but get bored quick. It's the center of all our innovation.

            So, I agree that a better world would give us better everything but not really actionable advice for the moment in here though right?

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            I mean, I don't know what actionable advice looks like if I'm being honest. I haven't exactly connected the dots between wanting something political and achieving something political.

            So I'd say that starting with raising awareness about root causes, building a community with an expectation of that awareness, and then manifesting meaningful action when an opportunity presents itself is likely as actionable as I can get. I think the benefit of doing this here on Lemmy is that it will make things more positive. We don't have to have childish comments defending the rich and make the space more negative if we have a robust resource that explains the position. Maybe it's short sighted of me, but a chunk of the negative articles and daily happenings can be chalked up to "rich people attempt distraction by talking about thing that doesn't effect you or matter really much at all". I think a community that posted those with a consistent title of "DISTRACTION - (news of the day)" would go a long way in allowing actual news to elevate itself. Because this is a root issue to a global problem, I think this awareness could effect nearly every community on Lemmy so why not talk about this more, educate yourself and your peers, and the more people who are up to speed the less time you have to spend talking about it and the more likely it gets fixed.

            Idk, it's not exactly "do X and get Y more positive posts" but it's the kind of advice I think leads some percentage of people to start a union and then get parental leave and overtime protection. Like it's not exactly sexy work, and it's slow and not fun, but it's the best I've got. I need to educate myself more on how to make actual political change in my local area (let alone online).

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              My biggest issue with the fediverse and all alt social media in general is due to the current social climate and censorship on mainstream SM platforms, every alt platform is inundated with politics. Politics is very hot button, it breeds negative interactions and very often is worded in such a way that its very ragebait-y in order to increase engagement. I have this issue with Bluesky as well, even after blocking bad actors and bad communities, and muting keywords I still find myself overwhelmed with political content and I find it difficult to not engage even if I support the causes.

              When I consume media that is not politically related, I find people are very positive and easy to connect with, the problem is that type of content is few and far between.

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              it's cool though because the fediverse has no incentives to increase engagement which means our ragebait is all organic and free of the profit motive!

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                I mean, I don't know what actionable advice looks like if I'm being honest. I haven't exactly connected the dots between wanting something political and achieving something political.

                So I'd say that starting with raising awareness about root causes, building a community with an expectation of that awareness, and then manifesting meaningful action when an opportunity presents itself is likely as actionable as I can get. I think the benefit of doing this here on Lemmy is that it will make things more positive. We don't have to have childish comments defending the rich and make the space more negative if we have a robust resource that explains the position. Maybe it's short sighted of me, but a chunk of the negative articles and daily happenings can be chalked up to "rich people attempt distraction by talking about thing that doesn't effect you or matter really much at all". I think a community that posted those with a consistent title of "DISTRACTION - (news of the day)" would go a long way in allowing actual news to elevate itself. Because this is a root issue to a global problem, I think this awareness could effect nearly every community on Lemmy so why not talk about this more, educate yourself and your peers, and the more people who are up to speed the less time you have to spend talking about it and the more likely it gets fixed.

                Idk, it's not exactly "do X and get Y more positive posts" but it's the kind of advice I think leads some percentage of people to start a union and then get parental leave and overtime protection. Like it's not exactly sexy work, and it's slow and not fun, but it's the best I've got. I need to educate myself more on how to make actual political change in my local area (let alone online).

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                Yeah it's fine to not have the answers. Honestly I don't think there are any just actions you can take and consequences to figure out after.

                I do agree we could probably do more to separate distracting news from useful news since there is a lot of it. And I think that's a pretty interesting suggestion. And I think that kind of creative consideration is exactly what we need to make actions that we think might work, since it's smaller than the huge goal all at once.

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                  I'll go for the technical side: having a distributed accounts manager so you only need one account to use every aspect of the Fediverse.

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                    I'll go for the technical side: having a distributed accounts manager so you only need one account to use every aspect of the Fediverse.

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                    I thought that was part of the package when I made a lemmy account. Man was I disappointed.

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                      Maybe dispense with the power-tripping moderators and also give me lots of money

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                        Mandatory fursona creation required upon account activation.

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                          When you've been shown facts that contradict your argument, concede politely. People will respect you for it. In fact they'll probably respect you more than if you go down endless chains of trying to save face.

                          Remember, this should go both ways. There will be times when people concede to you, and other times when you need to concede.

                          I don't think it needs to take very many people doing this to create a snowball effect where it becomes the common way to debate.

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                            ban Nazi's and defederate from fascist instances.

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                            Do you have examples of fascists instances so i can block them?

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                              In a world where trolling was done as a recreational activity, this was a good strategy. This is not that world anymore, though, this is a world where right wing fight clubs are popping up in dozens of countries. Trolls are no longer recreational, they're trying to slowly and gradually change the world in their image.

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                              You're right that it seems trolling is "weaponized" now. However, I (optimistically) don't want to (cynically) admit weaponized trolling is the rule instead of the exception.

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                                Sorry... I know that is not the answer you were looking for, but it felt right, and sometimes you just have to go where your heart leads you.

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                                  Mandatory fursona creation required upon account activation.

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                                  Pawb.Social: Write that down! Write that down!

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                                    it's cool though because the fediverse has no incentives to increase engagement which means our ragebait is all organic and free of the profit motive!

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                                    "I am angry entirely for personal pleasure, not for profit."

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                                      Change the world to be less hostile toward ordinary people. Improve general conditions and decrease inequality. I know it's a tall order, but it's a pretty big step toward people being less angry, aggrieved, and sullen.

                                      More attainable, and not applicable to everyone (but works on me), more pics of kittens and puppies and other cute critters. Sorry that I don't have a more actionable philosophical suggestion.

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                                        Hmm, maybe some more diversity? Right now it seems to be mostly hypernerds who use fediverse services. When was "Ask Lemmy" about web development questions.. you know

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                                          Do you have examples of fascists instances so i can block them?

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                                          I know you're trolling but I'm vicious like this.

                                          *.ml

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                                          programming.dev

                                          sh.it.just.works

                                          I have ran into more fascist supporting shit heels from those instances than anywhere else.

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