Self-Driving Teslas Are Fatally Striking Motorcyclists More Than Any Other Brand: New Analysis
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It's like smoking: if you haven't started, don't XD
wrote 8 days ago last edited byAs a fellow meat crayon I agree
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the cybertruck is sharp enough to cut a deer in half, surely a biker is just as vulnerable.
wrote 8 days ago last edited byI wonder if it's happened yet
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If it's a Tesla truck, I guess I could splash it with half a Dixie cup full of water...
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Thanks, 'Satan.
Do you know the number of miles driven by Tesla's self-driving tech? Because I don't, Tesla won't say, they're a remarkably non-transparent company where their tech is concerned. Near as I can tell, nobody does (other than folks locked up tight with NDAs). If the ratio of accidents-per-mile-driven looked good, you know as a flat fact that Elon would be Tweeting all about it.
Sorry you didn't find the death of 5 Americans newsworthy. I'll try harder for the next one.
wrote 8 days ago last edited byYou're right, 5 deaths isn't newsworthy in the context of tens of thousands killed by human drivers each year.
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Cybertrucks have 17 times the mortality rate of the ford pinto.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/02/report-cybertruck-safety-ford-pinto/
wrote 8 days ago last edited byCompletely irrelevant to whether or not FSD is safer than human drivers.
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I imagine bicyclists must be effected as well if they're on the road (as we should be, technically). As somebody who has already been literally inches away from being rear-ended, this makes me never want to bike in the US again.
Time to go to Netherlands.
wrote 8 days ago last edited bythis makes me never want to bike in the US again.
I live close enough to work for it to be a very reasonable biking distance. But there is no safe route. A high-speed "stroad" with a narrow little bike lane. It would only be a matter of time before some asshole with their face in their phone drifts into me.
I am deeply resentful of our automobile-centric infrastructure in the U.S. It's bad for the environment, bad for our wallets, bad for our waistlines, and bad for physical safety.
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Good to know, I'll stay away from those damn things when I ride.
wrote 8 days ago last edited byGood luck. They're fucking everywhere, at least where I live.
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This is news? Fortnine talked about it two years ago.
wrote 8 days ago last edited byThe argument is that humans can drive with just 2 eyes, so cameras are enough. I disagree with this position, given that the limitations of a camera-only system. But that's what it is.
Different sensors excel at different tasks and different conditions, and cameras are not always it.
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Cybertrucks have 17 times the mortality rate of the ford pinto.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/02/report-cybertruck-safety-ford-pinto/
wrote 8 days ago last edited byI wrote the original analysis Mother Jones is citing there. Hah, how about that! Delights me to see it cited in the wild.
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Same goes for the other vehicles. They didn’t even try to cover miles driven and it’s quite likely Tesla has far more miles of self-driving than anyone else.
I’d even go so far as to speculate the zero accidents of other self-driving vehicles could just be zero information because we don’t have enough information to call it zero
wrote 8 days ago last edited byNo, the zero accidents for other self-driving vehicles is actually zero
You may have heard of this little boutique automotive manufacturer, Ford Motor Company. They're one of the primary competitors, and they are far above the mileage where you would expect a fatal accident if they were as safe as a human.Ford has reported self-driving crashes (many of them!). Just no fatal crashes involving motorcycles, because I guess they don't fucking suck at making self-driving software.
I linked the data, it's all public governmental data, and only the Tesla crashes are heavily redacted. You could... IDK... read it, and then share your opinion about it?
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as daily rider, i must add having a tesla behind to the list of road hazards to look out
wrote 8 days ago last edited byYou're not wrong, but good luck watching out for a vehicle approaching you at a 30 mph differential (which is what I recall from fortnine covering the topic years ago) from behind.
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As a fellow meat crayon I agree
wrote 8 days ago last edited byBahaha, that one is new to me.
Back when I worked on an ambulance, we called the no helmet guys organ donors.This comment was brought to you by PTSD, and has been redacted in a rare moment of sobriety.
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NHTSA collects data if self-driving tech was active within 30 seconds of the impact.
The companies themselves do all sorts of wildcat shit with their numbers. Tesla's claimed safety factor right now is 8x human. So to drive with FSD is 8x safer than your average human driver, that's what they say on their stock earnings calls. Of course, that's not true, not based on any data I've seen, they haven't published data that makes it externally verifiable (unlike Waymo, who has excellent academic articles and insurance papers written about their 12x safer than human system).
wrote 8 days ago last edited byFascinating! I don’t know all this. Thanks
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Propane cylinder. Mutually assured destruction.
wrote 8 days ago last edited byIt will do nothing. By the time a propane cylinder would rupture, even if we assume it actually ignites too, it would add very little to a massive crash that killed everyone and desintegrated everything.
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TL;DR: Self-Driving Teslas Rear-End Motorcyclists, Killing at Least 5
Brevity is the spirit of wit, and I am just not that witty. This is a long article, here is the gist of it:
- The NHTSA’s self-driving crash data reveals that Tesla’s self-driving technology is, by far, the most dangerous for motorcyclists, with five fatal crashes that we know of.
- This issue is unique to Tesla. Other self-driving manufacturers have logged zero motorcycle fatalities with the NHTSA in the same time frame.
- The crashes are overwhelmingly Teslas rear-ending motorcyclists.
Read our full analysis as we go case-by-case and connect the heavily redacted government data to news reports and police documents.
Oh, and read our thoughts about what this means for the robotaxi launch that is slated for Austin in less than 60 days.
wrote 8 days ago last edited byWhat bike is that in the photo?
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As a fellow meat crayon I agree
wrote 8 days ago last edited byI remember finding a motorcycle community on reddit that called themselves "squids" or "squiddies" or something like that.
Their whole thing was putting road tyres on dirtbikes and riding urban environments like they were offroad obstacles. You know, ramping things, except on concrete.
They loved to talk about how dumb & short-lived they were. I couldn't ever find that group again, so maybe I misremembered the "squid" name, but I wanted to find them again, not to ever try it - fuck that - but because the bikes looked super cool. I just have a thing for gender-bent vehicles.
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I mean, maybe, but previously when I've said that it's typically gone over like a lead balloon. Even in tech forums, a lot of people have drunk the kool-aid that it's somehow suddenly too dangerous to allow owners to control their property just because software is involved.
wrote 8 days ago last edited byLemmy is super pro FOSS.
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Is musk going, because I vote to be on whatever planet he isn't.
wrote 8 days ago last edited byIf there are only fElon fan boys going I'll take the hit and go to open the airlock halfway through.
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As a fellow meat crayon I agree
wrote 8 days ago last edited byNegative. I'm a meat popsicle.
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I wonder if a state court judge could mandate its use as unsafe?
wrote 8 days ago last edited byThey are illegal in every developed country.