'Read' and its past tense are spelled the same. How should they be spelled?
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How did I get to the lead merchant? I was led here. But in the price negotiation, I took the lead.
wrote last edited by [email protected]That works for your way of saying it but there is nothing wrong with the way I said it. You don't say I'll led you there later. My statement wasn't past tense at all.
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Maybe to reed (infinitive) and read (past tense), but you can usually infer which one it is from context so no need to change the spelling.
"I read the magazines" isn't clear on its own, but with other text it probably is.
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Yeah I went through them again and see how it makes a slight difference but I am slavic and you can definitely hear it when I speak especially with my þ, ð and r sounds. The r especially after speaking for more than 15 minutees my tongue just gives up and I cannot make the weird soft english version of it. The probounciations I use are all over the place.
If you want to have some fun with US regional accents , Baltimore is a classic.
https://youtu.be/Esl_wOQDUeE (1min)
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What about similar oddities in English?
(This question is inspired by this comic by https://www.exocomics.com/) (I couldn't find the link to the actual comic)
Edit: it's to its in the title. Damn autocorrect.Welcome to english, where rules are actually the exceptions
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Using loan words is cheating, but also disqualifies half the English language
Thing is, reasonable languages adapt loan words to their own rules to make their speakers' lives easier.
English, though? Nah, English just stalks other languages in dark alleys, stabs them, rips some random words off, and runs away giggling like a maniac, bits of the original language dragging behind, leaving a trail of gore.
That's how you end up with things like façade, or naïve, or fiancé, or the plural of radius being radii, or château / châteaux, or referendum / referenda, and so on, turning what should be a matter of just applying some standard rules into a veritable minefield of non-standard forms which must be memorised by its speakers.
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Thing is, reasonable languages adapt loan words to their own rules to make their speakers' lives easier.
English, though? Nah, English just stalks other languages in dark alleys, stabs them, rips some random words off, and runs away giggling like a maniac, bits of the original language dragging behind, leaving a trail of gore.
That's how you end up with things like façade, or naïve, or fiancé, or the plural of radius being radii, or château / châteaux, or referendum / referenda, and so on, turning what should be a matter of just applying some standard rules into a veritable minefield of non-standard forms which must be memorised by its speakers.
It does make learning other languages fun. Currently in the middle of French, and there's so many words i already know. Eg:
- Déjà vu - already seen
- Cul-de-sac - butt (bottom) of the bag
- Laissez faire - let do/let make
- Lieu - place
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Reading is a place itself, the football club is the club for that place
Indeed, I just blurted out the biggest association in my mind to the place
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Are the first 2 lines really different?
Genuine question from a non native speaker.
Ehh technically I think they are the same but in common pronunciation they differ subtly. Don't overthink it though.
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Maybe to reed (infinitive) and read (past tense), but you can usually infer which one it is from context so no need to change the spelling.
"I read a lot of books about English spelling!"
Is this past tense?
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It's because the people who set the rules for the English language, could barely speak it.
The first guy to popularize the printing press was Dutch, so the guy who bought England's first one didn't know how it worked and neither did any English speaker
So he hired a bunch of Dutch who knew how to operate it.
And they got a bunch of handwritten books and were told to mass reproduce them.
Sometimes it was a mistake in the original, sometimes the typesetter made a mistake. Sometimes the writer just disagreed with how it should be written, and sometimes even the typesetters who couldn't speak English made choices to change it
No one gave a fuck about accuracy, it was about pumping out as many books as possible. Because just owning a book was a huge status symbol still from when they were handwritten and crazy expensive.
But all those books eventually got read, and the people who learned to read them were very proud that they could read. So they insisted that all the random bullshit was intentional and had to be followed to a T by everyone forever.
Most other languages had a noble class who kept it sensical, but for a long ass time only peasants spoke English, the wealthy in England all spoke French, cuz they were French.
Anyways, that's why English doesn't make any sense. There was also a natural thing happening where vowel pronunciation was changing. So when the typecasters solidified everything, it was already in a state of flux. That's why pronunciation doesn't line up with spelling.
wrote last edited by [email protected]The first guy to popularize the printing press was Dutch
Are you talking about Johannes Gutenberg?
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"I read a lot of books about English spelling!"
Is this past tense?
Depends on the context
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What about similar oddities in English?
(This question is inspired by this comic by https://www.exocomics.com/) (I couldn't find the link to the actual comic)
Edit: it's to its in the title. Damn autocorrect.I found it! https://www.exocomics.com/193/
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The digraph oo is pronounced at least six different ways:
- boot, proof, boost, scoop, moon
- book, foot, look, cookie, good
- floor, poor, door, moor
- flood, blood
- zoology, cooperative
- brooch (just brooch; there doesn't seem to be any other word in the whole language using this sound for oo).
Floor/door and poor might differ depending on dialect
And the whole point of zoology and cooperative is that they aren't digraphs (hence why some super posh people write coöperative)
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What about similar oddities in English?
(This question is inspired by this comic by https://www.exocomics.com/) (I couldn't find the link to the actual comic)
Edit: it's to its in the title. Damn autocorrect.The English language is so retarded yet we use it for international communication, and it is too late to stop it.
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Be the change you want to see. Making people cringe as bonus!
It's only cringy because you're not used to it. If someone says "I goed to work yesterday" you would know exactly what they meant.
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It's only cringy because you're not used to it. If someone says "I goed to work yesterday" you would know exactly what they meant.
Yes and then cringe.
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Welcome to english, where rules are actually the exceptions
wrote last edited by [email protected]I before E, except after C!
As long as you don't count the word caffeine. Or protein. Or species. Or seize or heinous or leisure or weird or feign or their or reignite or any of the other 923 words that are exceptions to this rule lol.
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We should be consistent and say "readed". While we're on the subject, why isn't the past tense of go "goed"?
Although the past tense of write is wrote, so maybe for read it should be rode.... dammit!
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What about similar oddities in English?
(This question is inspired by this comic by https://www.exocomics.com/) (I couldn't find the link to the actual comic)
Edit: it's to its in the title. Damn autocorrect.wrote last edited by [email protected]One of my favourites is the word jam, which can mean:
- A fruit preserve
- Traffic that's stopped
- To play music
- A door that won't open
- A difficult situation
- To force something in somewhere it's not supposed to be
- To interrupt a signal
- Something you don't like or can't do ("that's not my jam")
And probably others, all spelled and pronounced the same way but with wildly different meanings depending on the context.
The other English thing I find super interesting is how there's a sort of unspoken but very clearly understood order to adjectives. So for example, if I say "The big old red wooden door" it works as a description, but if I say "The wooden old red big door" it sounds weird even though it's the same information. People aren't usually formally taught the order (as far as I know), but everyone seems to understand it.
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And the alarm goes off means it actually starts ringing. Weird language indeed!
And this might just be a UK thing but if a person goes off it means they get really angry. And it can mean to leave for somewhere.
So a firework goes off which makes the fire alarm go off which makes the safety officer go off. Then he goes off to get a fireman. But he leaves the milk out, so it goes off.
