Norway is set to become the first country to fully transition to electric vehicles

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They work fine in the cold. This old, blatantly wrong, myth needs to die soon.

Source: we use them every damn day all year, including winter.
Sincerely
A Norwegian with an EV daily driver.

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They do work slightly worse when it's very cold, but it's fine.

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That works both ways. Norway doesn’t have a large base of car manufacturers who can follow their guidance, but the US ties, including Tesla who did so much to popularize EVs and used to dominate

Any large transition need guidance, incentives, motivation to happen in a reasonable time. Norway did that. Meanwhile the us is an inconsistent mess spewing FUD, lobbying by entrenched interests, and very short term thinking. Of course we only have the early adopters who could wade through all that resistance and now with Musks jump to the right we have a whole new obstacle.

how did Norway get chargers? We just now started government funding and it’s likely cancelled
when did they provide incentives to help encourage expensive purchases? Us again just recently started a federal incentive, it has been inconsistent and likely will be cancelled
I’ve ready that Norway had incentives at registration, parking, toll roads. US still hasn’t done those and several states make EV registration more expensive
too many in the US still claim EVs are impractical or more polluting, even in the face of all evidence to the contrary, while Norway did it

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https://www.redarcelectronics.com/us/resources/chargers-isolators-faqs/do-not-charge-lithium-battery-below-32-degrees/

Charging lithium batteries below a certain temperature is very bad for them.

It also reduces capacity and charge cycles significantly.

Yes they still technically function, but they wear out much faster and output much less as you go colder.

That means you need to replace the batteries much more often.

The batteries are the least environmentally friendly part of the whole EV.

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See my response to the guy above. I don't think you can say it's only "slightly" worse.

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Rightttt, if only we had literal millions of these cars work in freezing temps. They're better in cold that ice cars.

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And that's why they're capable of heating themselves up.

The entire EV has less impact than just the petrol in the most efficient small engine car ALONE. You're not even counting the pollution caused by the ICE car being made, yet the likes of Volvo announces the entire lifetime of what the polestar will consume with the current market pollution of energy, which is only going down.

You're spewing myths and are straight up wrong.

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I'm gonna need a source on that one chief. If you account for the extremely unclean energy used to mine, process and ship the raw materials for EVs they are absolutely not cleaner for the environment than current efficient ICE vehicle production. To be clear they both create a ton of pollution during production but this claim that EVs are magically cleaner is a crock of shit.

The main difference is we have been producing ICE vehicles for a long time. We have (mostly) ethical mining for the resources required and the whole process has been streamlined over the last 100+ years.

Just because you've shifted the pollution from on your street to some poor kids in the congo doesn't mean you're suddenly "clean".

I'm not saying that we need to stay using ICE forever or that EVs are inherently evil. Simply that as the EV market currently sits they are not the clean green machines people often want to pretend they are.

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If that's the case why are all of the vehicles in the Arctic diesel? The south Pole is all diesel.

Anywhere that spends time regularly in the negatives does not use electric vehicles.

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Diesel straight up doesn't run when it gets cold enough. Diesel fuel becomes jelly in the negatives.

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My apologies I should have been more specific. It's a special diesel fuel they call AN8. Generally still referred to simpy as Diesel. The vehicles they put it into are diesel vehicles.

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And this is the nuanced answer that begins to give context to the issue.

Absolutely correct.

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Sure, here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31joJUU4X-g fairly early in the video.

I'm not even going to start debunking your arguments because they're such assumptions it's laughable. What are you even on about? Kids in Congo? Get a grip mate.

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https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/02/01/1152893248/red-cobalt-congo-drc-mining-siddharth-kara

Feel free to do your own research at any point. The materials required for the massive batteries in all those EVs have to come from somewhere and they generally are obtained through slave and child labor in third world countries.

Also your "source" is a privately run show from a former actor and comedian who really likes EVs and he gathered an audience that donate money to him through patron to keep the show going. That's a biased source if I've ever seen one. Of course the guy who makes a living in the EV space is going to do nothing but sing the praises of the Almighty EV.

I feel it bears repeating I am not even again against EVs. I simply do not care for how the EV super fans talk about their stuff. They always seem to pick and choose whatever information is convenient for them and their favorite tech whole conveniently leaving out anything negative.

I do believe electric will be the future. We just have some problems to sort out on the energy density side of things. Battery technology still just isn't quite ready and even if we sick with lithium we need to find a better way to get the materials required.

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Which is why they are heated before being charged, either by the on-board heater if it’s been parked, or naturally by just driving the damn thing.

You said EVs don’t work well in the cold. That is a demonstrably false statement by the fact that Norway has over 500 000 of them rolling around all year. You can post as many misinformed links supporting it as you wish. If it had any merit, we would not be at 90%+ adoption rating.

Either you are the biggest genious in the world and we are half a million morons, or you are just wrong.
The fact that I drive mine in weather spanning from -30 C to +25 C makes suspect the latter.

Have a good one, mate.

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Brother what are you talking about. I said they function in the cold. They don't work well in the cold. They have recommended temperature ranges for a reason. I am simply pointing out the significant hit to battery performance and lifespan that the deep cold adds.

I havent posted any "misinformation". You can literally verify every statement I've made with a number of scientific papers and studies on the effects of temperature and batteries. We have known they don't work well in the cold for years. I have had to stick an untold number of cellphones into my inner layer pants pockets to prevent them from completely shutting off or refusing to charge because they got way too cold to safely operate.

By owning and driving fully electric cars in the significant cold they are absolutely lowering of the lifespan of those batteries meaning they need to be replaced more often. The batteries are far and away the biggest source of pollution in an EV.

You can call me names and whatever else you want but at least be scientifically accurate.

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What you posted is irrelevant, the other guy gave you an answer in the first sentence: you heat the batteries up if needed. Problem solved.

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Because there's not enough electric capacity in remote locations and fuel is more energy dense. But 99.9999995% of people are not living in the south pole, you don't need a spaceship to go buy bread.

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About 20% less efficient, so still 60% more than ICE.

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Hey super genius if your have a car that only has batteries inside it as an energy source what do you use to heat up the batteries so the batteries are working inside their correct temperature range? The batteries. Which are cold because you parked it outside in a place that averages close to zero degrees depending on the region and time of year. Sure if you park it in your heated garage and then park it at work at a heated garage and you only ever drive it between those locations the cold will basically hit matter but if you ever leave the car anywhere that it will drop down to ambient outside temps then it will be causing damage to the batteries when they use their own cold juices to get warmed up enough to do their job right.

I know that when charging they will sip power to heat the batteries to the proper temperature for charging (and they heat up a tad naturally when charged), but anyone who isn't always charging it while parked or leaving inside a heated garage that will not be the case.

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Norway is set to become the first country to fully transition to electric vehicles