Norway is set to become the first country to fully transition to electric vehicles

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While there is no hard rules involved with the word "slightly" when used to describe a change in percentage it is generally used for changes of 5% or less.

Yes this is getting pedantic about the English language but a 20% change would be more accurately referred to as a "moderate" change.

And you are absolutely correct ICE engines are always less thermally efficient than EVs. Your average standard gasoline engine these days is somewhere in the ballpark of ~25% efficient. Some of the more efficient diesel ICEs are up to 50% efficient these days. EVs tend to be around ~90% thermally efficient.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2667141723001088#:~:text=Typically%2C most Li-ion battery,]%2C [21]].

Also it's not a 20% loss at 0°C. It's closer to 50%. Which would be most accurately described as a "significant" loss of efficiency.

https://ev.aaa.com/articles/are-electric-cars-good-in-winter/#:~:text=How much of a,car's heating system is on.

Even AAA did research that shows it's anywhere from 10% loss in range to 40% loss as you get colder and colder.

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The misinformation is that they don't work well in the cold. Truth be told, they are fantastic in the cold. I'd argue better than ICE. That's a different topic for a different day though.

You are, rightfully so, claiming batteries don't like cold temperatures. What you fail to add are the mitigations companies make to solve these issues. That feels disingenous, unless you just didn't know.

If your phone had the capaticity and function to heat itself up during outdoor use, it would also work brilliantly.

So while I'm sure the scientific papers are great, without having read them, I'd guess they don't include the whole picture either as if they would, we'd be in agreement.

I tried finding where I called you any names and failed, but if you felt attacked then I appoligize for that. I have nothing against you or think you deserve that. We are just disagreeing on this one topic.

Have a good night!

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Has no one told them that EVs don't work when it's cold?

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This is true, but the batteries do not suffer any harm by being used when cold, just charging which we by now agree is not an issue as long as the car heats them up first.

They also expell heat by being used, so they are nice and toasty for when you reach you destination and can plug in.

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they generally are obtained through slave and child labor in third world countries.

Isn't that for pretty much everything?

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Yes and no. It depends on what material you are specifically looking for.

For the grand majority of materials needed in an ICE vehicle we have had "ethical" sources for everything for awhile now. Which makes sense the industry has had 100 years to clean up its image as much as they cared to.

The materials needed specifically for large lithium batteries are still currently gathered primally in places where human rights aren't even considered. People are working on getting that changed, but last time I checked it was still really bad.

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I remember using Google Street View in Norway, every single corner you turn...there's an EV!

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I swear all my coworkers keep asking what I'm going to do when my battery dies in the cold smfh

and even my wife still has range anxiety despite traveling half of I-95 multiple times

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Really? No~r~ Way!

~(sorry~ ~for~ ~the~ ~terrible~ ~joke~ ~lol)~

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Batteries don't stay at 0C very long... Because you heat them up. It's a known and solved problem.

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This was such a big worry of mine, but I'm only down 12% average versus the summer and I live in Canada.

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Norway progresses while the USA regresses going full fucking 3rd World with Orange Nero.

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yeah on a recent trip it went from like 2.8 mi/kw to 2.3 mi/kw as the weather went from above to below 0 C but the way you hear some people tell it if the snow falls you'll be stranded at work and won't be able to drive ten miles home

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Reminds me of an oilfield... Town? Region? Camp? My uncle told me about called "Dead Horse, Alaska". It gets so cold there they need to keep the diesel equipment fueled and running constantly or it doesn't come on again without major intervention.

Sounds absolutely nuts to me, but I guess spreadsheets say the black-gold more than pays for burning nasty fuel 24/7 just to be there.

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No, crude oil and natural gas amount to 62% of the total value of Norway’s exports of goods in 2023. Oil still keeps that country rich.

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Norway selling their trash

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They don't withdraw a lot, but having it means they don't have a need to tax all the things just in case either and they can take a hit today to plan for a better future. That is to say, EVs in Norway are exempt from vehicle taxes, import duties, registration fees and get all kinds of other benefits too making them way cheaper in comparison to ICE cars.

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Most things have a 25% sales tax on them + 22% flat rate for income tax. How much taxes are billionaires paying in the US?

Again, blame the fund all you want, in the end the problem is other countries not jumping at the opportunities presented to them to build a similar fund.

It was inspired by Alberta's heritage fund (which obviously existed before Norway's), Alberta has a much bigger oil reserve and has extracted way more oil than Norway. How much do they have in their version of the fund? Less than CAD $30B. Instead of investing for the future they decided to cut all sales taxes and to lower income taxes as much as they realistically could while still offering public services.

The same logic can apply to any government that has natural resources to manage and decides not to nationalize it to invest for the future.

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No clue, I'm from Finland where our VAT is 25.5%, income tax is higher than in Norway, and our vehicles are some of the most expensive, and also the oldest, in Europe

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What is the efficiency of an internal combustion engine in cold weather, for comparison?

At least the EV starts every damn time.

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Norway is set to become the first country to fully transition to electric vehicles