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Trump’s US doesn’t just think Europe is obsolete – it wants to see it dead

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    US as a security of the west is like running next to a bull to stay safe (better not wear anything red). They were never protecting other nations, but rather their business interests/opportunities.
    Look at the last example of "protection" deal. "Sign over minerals."; "And then you will protect us, right?"; "You do not hold the cards.".. It's more like finding an exploit, labeling terrorists/freedom fighters, deploying troops ("Say thank you troops"), kill anyone resisting the deal -- profit.

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    You're a fucking joke if you think the last two months is representative of the US over the past 75 years.

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      You're a fucking joke if you think the last two months is representative of the US over the past 75 years.

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      The difference these last few months has been the lack of any restraint when talking about it, because of the incredibly low IQ of people in charge rn. When did US ever engage in war without securing wealth or land? Selfless defence is not even on the list of general reasons for war. Number one is economic gain. It's always a defence contract or straight up looting. When all you have is a hammer..

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      • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

        Summary

        The "Signalgate" scandal confirms the Trump administration's deep disdain for Europe, viewing it not just as obsolete but actively wanting its demise.

        There are 3 major implications: an inevitable trade war where Europe must unite; continued US pressure on Greenland despite European pushback; and Europe needing to support Ukraine not just without US help, but potentially against US interests.

        European leaders who stand firm against US bullying are seeing rising approval ratings.

        Europe should "with firmness, courage and politeness" chart its own path forward.

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        But of course. Democratic countries doing very well with policies far more socialist than would be politically expedient for the US? Can't have that.

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          Oh my sweet summer child, you just opened the door to madness.

          Southern baptists don't...they don't consider catholics to be Christians.

          Not 'catholics aren't real Christians' or 'catholics are heretics', they're not Christian at all, they're like Mormons or Muslims.

          I have never managed to understand it, and I had a few SBC try to explain it to me, their attitude is just that it's not real Christianity like protestantism, it's something else, something alien.

          This is why Irish and Italians weren't considered white for a long time too, only really white people can be Christian, because of the curse of Ham. Black people like Obama are straight Muslim, full stop.

          Feel free to go down this rabbit hole, it won't get you anywhere good, and the sbc has been trying to quietly backpedal as best they can, but it's still really popular among the smaller congregations, at least the ones I met.

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          Which makes it extra ironic the so-called White House faith office is pulling shit like selling $1,000 Easter miracles.

          That’s practically the old Catholic indulgences and those were literally one of the reasons for the great schism; that kind of shit is why Protestants exist to begin with THAT’S WHAT THEY WERE PROTESTING

          They have so utterly and comprehensively lost the plot and betrayed everything they claimed to stand for

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            Summary

            The "Signalgate" scandal confirms the Trump administration's deep disdain for Europe, viewing it not just as obsolete but actively wanting its demise.

            There are 3 major implications: an inevitable trade war where Europe must unite; continued US pressure on Greenland despite European pushback; and Europe needing to support Ukraine not just without US help, but potentially against US interests.

            European leaders who stand firm against US bullying are seeing rising approval ratings.

            Europe should "with firmness, courage and politeness" chart its own path forward.

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            This is capitalism. There are no "allies" in the race to destroy the planet.

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              Europe is a comparative bastion of liberal democracy, hardly suprising facists dont like us

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              Europe is a comparative bastion of liberal democracy,

              I think you mean colonialism and white supremacy.

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              • microwave@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                Summary

                The "Signalgate" scandal confirms the Trump administration's deep disdain for Europe, viewing it not just as obsolete but actively wanting its demise.

                There are 3 major implications: an inevitable trade war where Europe must unite; continued US pressure on Greenland despite European pushback; and Europe needing to support Ukraine not just without US help, but potentially against US interests.

                European leaders who stand firm against US bullying are seeing rising approval ratings.

                Europe should "with firmness, courage and politeness" chart its own path forward.

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                Meanwhile I'm trying to figure out how best to flee the US and set up in Denmark or some similar place with a much higher quality of life and fewer 21st century Nazis.

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                  Oh my sweet summer child, you just opened the door to madness.

                  Southern baptists don't...they don't consider catholics to be Christians.

                  Not 'catholics aren't real Christians' or 'catholics are heretics', they're not Christian at all, they're like Mormons or Muslims.

                  I have never managed to understand it, and I had a few SBC try to explain it to me, their attitude is just that it's not real Christianity like protestantism, it's something else, something alien.

                  This is why Irish and Italians weren't considered white for a long time too, only really white people can be Christian, because of the curse of Ham. Black people like Obama are straight Muslim, full stop.

                  Feel free to go down this rabbit hole, it won't get you anywhere good, and the sbc has been trying to quietly backpedal as best they can, but it's still really popular among the smaller congregations, at least the ones I met.

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                  I was dumbfounded the first time my ex-wife tried to tell me that because I was a (former) Catholic at the time, that it wasn't actually Christianity.

                  My exact words were; "Bitch please! We were the fucking original christians, what the fuck are you on about?"

                  That was before we got married and I should have listened to my gut in that moment.

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                    Oh my sweet summer child, you just opened the door to madness.

                    Southern baptists don't...they don't consider catholics to be Christians.

                    Not 'catholics aren't real Christians' or 'catholics are heretics', they're not Christian at all, they're like Mormons or Muslims.

                    I have never managed to understand it, and I had a few SBC try to explain it to me, their attitude is just that it's not real Christianity like protestantism, it's something else, something alien.

                    This is why Irish and Italians weren't considered white for a long time too, only really white people can be Christian, because of the curse of Ham. Black people like Obama are straight Muslim, full stop.

                    Feel free to go down this rabbit hole, it won't get you anywhere good, and the sbc has been trying to quietly backpedal as best they can, but it's still really popular among the smaller congregations, at least the ones I met.

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                    Interesting. Wild, but interesting. I consider Mormons to be Christian too, I didn't realize it was its own thing, I thought it was just the blanket term for religions that worship Jesus.

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                      I was dumbfounded the first time my ex-wife tried to tell me that because I was a (former) Catholic at the time, that it wasn't actually Christianity.

                      My exact words were; "Bitch please! We were the fucking original christians, what the fuck are you on about?"

                      That was before we got married and I should have listened to my gut in that moment.

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                      Bitch please! We were the fucking original christians

                      Orthodox Christians: excuse yourself bitch!

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                        Meanwhile I'm trying to figure out how best to flee the US and set up in Denmark or some similar place with a much higher quality of life and fewer 21st century Nazis.

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                        Careful with Denmark. Our immigration laws have become pretty strict. We're also a pretty tiny country.

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                          Bitch please! We were the fucking original christians

                          Orthodox Christians: excuse yourself bitch!

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                          come at me, bro...

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                          • tattorack@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

                            Careful with Denmark. Our immigration laws have become pretty strict. We're also a pretty tiny country.

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                            Unfortunately a lot of European countries have been going down that dark path, just not as far along as the US. I'm cautiously hopeful that the current events will help steer us back in the right direction but we'll see..

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                              Bitch please! We were the fucking original christians

                              Orthodox Christians: excuse yourself bitch!

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                              I was raised Roman Catholic and I was taught about the schism.

                              However, it was framed as the Eastern Orthodox Catholics broke off from mainstream Catholicism, therefore Roman Catholics were the "original Catholics."

                              It does kind of tickle me how much the folks that taught me that, value tradition so highly that they try to rationalize this kind of thing until they once are "traditional."

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                                You're a fucking joke if you think the last two months is representative of the US over the past 75 years.

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                                I'd argue that the last two months have been the culmination of the last ~50 years of US fascism.

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                                  I was dumbfounded the first time my ex-wife tried to tell me that because I was a (former) Catholic at the time, that it wasn't actually Christianity.

                                  My exact words were; "Bitch please! We were the fucking original christians, what the fuck are you on about?"

                                  That was before we got married and I should have listened to my gut in that moment.

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                                  Southern Baptiats after schisming in order to make the Curse of Ham their dogmatic rationalization of slavery:

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                                    Interesting. Wild, but interesting. I consider Mormons to be Christian too, I didn't realize it was its own thing, I thought it was just the blanket term for religions that worship Jesus.

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                                    Don't sweat it, everyone is just gatekeeping, because only their specific religion is true and everyone else is just evil and siding with Satan.

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                                      Which makes it extra ironic the so-called White House faith office is pulling shit like selling $1,000 Easter miracles.

                                      That’s practically the old Catholic indulgences and those were literally one of the reasons for the great schism; that kind of shit is why Protestants exist to begin with THAT’S WHAT THEY WERE PROTESTING

                                      They have so utterly and comprehensively lost the plot and betrayed everything they claimed to stand for

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                                      The sbc never, ever claimed to stand for anything except being pro-slavery.

                                      That's why they schismed from the triennial convention, to endorse the Curse of Ham as core dogma for God to command white men to keep black people as slaves.

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                                        I'd argue that the last two months have been the culmination of the last ~50 years of US fascism.

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                                        I heard someone defederated from Hexbear, but I didn't think it was us.

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                                          The difference these last few months has been the lack of any restraint when talking about it, because of the incredibly low IQ of people in charge rn. When did US ever engage in war without securing wealth or land? Selfless defence is not even on the list of general reasons for war. Number one is economic gain. It's always a defence contract or straight up looting. When all you have is a hammer..

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                                          I assure you, the recent differences are more than just talk.

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