"ok, imagine a gun."
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NL here. "Shotgun" is a concept, though mostly through Pop Culture Osmosis.
hi northernlion i love your videos
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The apocryphal story is actually kind of interesting.
Roads and right of way established during the pre-firearm era were that you'd ride on the left, with people going the opposite way on your right. This was so you could use your dominant hand (usually your right) to use a sword to defend yourself.
Roads after firearms were available often established right of way with riding on the right, with oncoming traffic on the left. This is because when you shoulder a firearm on your right shoulder it's easier to aim left.
Stagecoach drivers would sit in the left seat, with the extra person sitting on the right, holding a shotgun, hence the colloquial term for the front passenger seat.
I have no idea how true this is, but it makes for an interesting story.
In Europe it was because of Napoleon. In the US is was because of how wagons were made, according to this article:
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/02/business/why-americans-drive-on-the-right-and-the-british-on-the-left
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No, no, no, this is all wrong. When we discuss immigration and the current situation in the US all Americans are European immigrants.
When we talk about the genocide of the natives Americans, it was done by Americans, Europeans had nothing to do with it.
Technically 85% correct now, after brexit
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In Australia: yes and it's commonplace. But like 70% of our media is American so unsurprising.
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Now I'd like to know why in France it's la place du Mort, the seat of the dead...
Because they didn't have a shotgun.
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Tell that to my .22 Ramset.
Ramsets use .22 blanks, not bullets, and would have the same issues being used as a pistol at range as any other powered hammer. Even if you override the safety, and either modify or practice with it enough to be reasonably accurate, you're just not going to do much damage if you're more than an arm's length or two away.
Nails have terrible ballistic performance, and there's nothing in a nailer meant to keep the nail going straight for more than 10cm or so. A nail launched into air (rather than a hard surface) from a nailer would start to tumble almost immediately.
You'd literally be more effective throwing the nailer at an attacker than trying to shoot them with it.
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That is purely an American thing.
Not saying my family had someone in the passenger seat with a shotgun to protect their batch of white lightning...also not saying they didn't.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Nope. Canada had stagecoach and shotguns too. So did Mexico. The Sundance Kid owned a bar in Calgary at one point, and worked out at the Bar U ranch near Calgary before that.
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Ramsets use .22 blanks, not bullets, and would have the same issues being used as a pistol at range as any other powered hammer. Even if you override the safety, and either modify or practice with it enough to be reasonably accurate, you're just not going to do much damage if you're more than an arm's length or two away.
Nails have terrible ballistic performance, and there's nothing in a nailer meant to keep the nail going straight for more than 10cm or so. A nail launched into air (rather than a hard surface) from a nailer would start to tumble almost immediately.
You'd literally be more effective throwing the nailer at an attacker than trying to shoot them with it.
Pssst, the "bullet" is called a "nail" in a "nail gun."
37mms and 40mms also use a .38 blank (or a shotgun primer, depending) to launch, that not "gun" enough for you either just because the propellant and projectile are independent? What about flintlock?
And who says "gun" needs sub-MOA accuracy to be "gun?" The Liberator (both the George Hyde FP-45 produced by the OSS and the Cody Wilson 3d printed one) is notoriously inaccurate, meant to be basically pressed into a nazi back and fired to steal their firearm (or to simply exist as a working proof of concept for Cody's, really). Both still very "gun."
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An American thing? Do people in other countries drive and hold the shotgun too?
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Ça dépend peut-être de la région.
Chocolatine pain au chocolat hein ^^
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Pssst, the "bullet" is called a "nail" in a "nail gun."
37mms and 40mms also use a .38 blank (or a shotgun primer, depending) to launch, that not "gun" enough for you either just because the propellant and projectile are independent? What about flintlock?
And who says "gun" needs sub-MOA accuracy to be "gun?" The Liberator (both the George Hyde FP-45 produced by the OSS and the Cody Wilson 3d printed one) is notoriously inaccurate, meant to be basically pressed into a nazi back and fired to steal their firearm (or to simply exist as a working proof of concept for Cody's, really). Both still very "gun."
I took the time to watch some videos of people testing this.
- A pneumatic roofing nailer couldn't stick a nail into the board from even 2-3cm away.
- A pneumatic framing nailer couldn't stick a nail into a pine board from 5m; the nails all tumbled badly past about 15cm.
- This guy then proceeded to weld a freakin' barrel, almost a meter long, onto his framing nailer in hopes of improving accuracy. While it did achieve that goal, he only got about 1cm of penetration from ~3m.
- A PA nailer with green blanks stuck a 1.5" nail into a railroad tie about an inch deep from 2m, and a 2.5" nail about 1cm deep from 3m.
- More interestingly, the above nailer only got about 5cm of penetration in a ballistic gel block with a 1.5" nail and a green blank from 15cm away. A yellow blank from the same distance got about 12cm of penetration.
Aside from all that, we're talking about a tool designed to push a fastener into material while in contact with said material. A gun is a tool designed to push a bullet into a target at a distance with some level of designed-in accuracy. These are not the same thing. A power nailer can certainly be used as a gun, but it can also be used as a step stool, a ruler, or a door stop. Usage outside intended purpose doesn't change the nature of an object.
Hey, if you want to call your PA nailer a nail gun, that's fine. There's no law requiring accuracy in speech, and of the entire power hammer category a PA nailer is probably closest.
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I took the time to watch some videos of people testing this.
- A pneumatic roofing nailer couldn't stick a nail into the board from even 2-3cm away.
- A pneumatic framing nailer couldn't stick a nail into a pine board from 5m; the nails all tumbled badly past about 15cm.
- This guy then proceeded to weld a freakin' barrel, almost a meter long, onto his framing nailer in hopes of improving accuracy. While it did achieve that goal, he only got about 1cm of penetration from ~3m.
- A PA nailer with green blanks stuck a 1.5" nail into a railroad tie about an inch deep from 2m, and a 2.5" nail about 1cm deep from 3m.
- More interestingly, the above nailer only got about 5cm of penetration in a ballistic gel block with a 1.5" nail and a green blank from 15cm away. A yellow blank from the same distance got about 12cm of penetration.
Aside from all that, we're talking about a tool designed to push a fastener into material while in contact with said material. A gun is a tool designed to push a bullet into a target at a distance with some level of designed-in accuracy. These are not the same thing. A power nailer can certainly be used as a gun, but it can also be used as a step stool, a ruler, or a door stop. Usage outside intended purpose doesn't change the nature of an object.
Hey, if you want to call your PA nailer a nail gun, that's fine. There's no law requiring accuracy in speech, and of the entire power hammer category a PA nailer is probably closest.
Pneumatic != Powder Actuated. The former is propelled by air, the latter by smokeless gunpowder.
Besides, your video guy just had skill issues. These guys did fine with just a pneumatic, was your guy using a Ryobi or something lol? While that might not be as bad as a real bullet it doesn't look like the clay pigeon 25yd away had fun.
If you want more penetration, increase the powder load from 2-3ish grains to something appropriate for your "bullet" weight (mind weighing some of those nails in grains for me?) Green and yellow aren't even the strongest, let's see what a purple can do (and also can someone weigh those powder charges for me in grains too?) Hell, let's see what a 5.56 blank can do.
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In Australia: yes and it's commonplace. But like 70% of our media is American so unsurprising.
You're basically americans with going outside instead of corn.
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Not many countries had to arm the person next to the coach driver to fight off natives defending their country against foreign invaders.
This obe didn't either. Staying home was usually an option.
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Huh, who knew that violent bank robbers who indiscriminately kill bystanders would
do a bunch of genocide after their violent takeover complete with secret police and gulagsI mean create the best goverbmont in history, praise USSR or something.Look, stalin did a lot of things wrong, but robbing banks is pretty cool even with collateral damage.
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Look, stalin did a lot of things wrong, but robbing banks is pretty cool even with collateral damage.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Word? Lemme get your bank's address and the times you go, so I can rob it and shoot you in the fucking face in the process, y'know since killing innocent people in bank robberies is "cool" to you it should be pretty sweet for all involved. Put your money (or in this case, life) where your mouth is.
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Word? Lemme get your bank's address and the times you go, so I can rob it and shoot you in the fucking face in the process, y'know since killing innocent people in bank robberies is "cool" to you it should be pretty sweet for all involved. Put your money (or in this case, life) where your mouth is.
wrote last edited by [email protected]money where your mouth is
I'm actually unbanked!
innocent
Totally. Killing innocent people isnt morally sound.
at a bank
So you mean coerced into complicity?
absolutely morally uncomplicated and good to simple binary morality
That is what cool means, yes. Learn to cope with complexity before getting pissy. If you're going to get precious about innocent dead, maybe talk more about cops and oligarchs.
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money where your mouth is
I'm actually unbanked!
innocent
Totally. Killing innocent people isnt morally sound.
at a bank
So you mean coerced into complicity?
absolutely morally uncomplicated and good to simple binary morality
That is what cool means, yes. Learn to cope with complexity before getting pissy. If you're going to get precious about innocent dead, maybe talk more about cops and oligarchs.
Lol I'm not usually one to wish death on people but I hope you get killed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time by someone doing something "cool." You like it so much it just seems like it's wishing you well, even if that means death in your case.
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Lol I'm not usually one to wish death on people but I hope you get killed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time by someone doing something "cool." You like it so much it just seems like it's wishing you well, even if that means death in your case.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Ive been attacked by fascists and cops on multiple occasions. I've been running for my life nonstop for twenty years. I have scars on just about every substantial portion of my body from things you dont consider violent, and scars on my empty heart from dead or irreparably ruined friends, ripped from me by institutions you consider innocent.
I live in a world of profound violence. I step out my front door each time knowing i could be killed, for any reason or none at all, by the protectors of your banks and their property. I go to sleep each night knowing i could be woken by a battering ram, and be dragged off to decades of torture if they don't kill me on the spot. I dream of friends lost to police dogs i only escaped by chance, dying of infected wounds in the literal shadow of a modern hospital in one of the wealthiest regions to have ever existed, because the bank says they don't deserve care and the triage nurse is sick of seeing them and the easy to get antibiotics were exhausted in animal agriculture to make your line-go-up probably before i was born
Violence against those systems is cool. It makes me happy. Collateral damage against those complicit isn't something i have strong opinions on, but if you don't see me as human, why should i waste my heart on compassion for your bourgoise ass? I dream of a couple months of red terror against your centuries of white. I think that's cool, even in circumstances where it fails to be too terribly good, like 1917.
You wanting me dead is nothing new. Your kind has wanted me dead since my parents threw me out, since i was a literal child. Your outrage only tells me you're afraid now. That you know your abbotoir is on fire, and you sold all the fire suppression systems to buy more cops. There will casualties and 'innocents' and even inmocents¹ who die in that fire. I will cherish the beauty and warmth of it all the same, and only wish that I had been the one to set it.
¹i remember being one of those! If you gave a shit, you were cheering on everything that damned me. As you are now. Why on earth does someone like you suddenly give a shit what i think? Why on earth do you think someone like you, representing a class and a world that threw me away like fucking trash, are entitled to it?
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Ive been attacked by fascists and cops on multiple occasions. I've been running for my life nonstop for twenty years. I have scars on just about every substantial portion of my body from things you dont consider violent, and scars on my empty heart from dead or irreparably ruined friends, ripped from me by institutions you consider innocent.
I live in a world of profound violence. I step out my front door each time knowing i could be killed, for any reason or none at all, by the protectors of your banks and their property. I go to sleep each night knowing i could be woken by a battering ram, and be dragged off to decades of torture if they don't kill me on the spot. I dream of friends lost to police dogs i only escaped by chance, dying of infected wounds in the literal shadow of a modern hospital in one of the wealthiest regions to have ever existed, because the bank says they don't deserve care and the triage nurse is sick of seeing them and the easy to get antibiotics were exhausted in animal agriculture to make your line-go-up probably before i was born
Violence against those systems is cool. It makes me happy. Collateral damage against those complicit isn't something i have strong opinions on, but if you don't see me as human, why should i waste my heart on compassion for your bourgoise ass? I dream of a couple months of red terror against your centuries of white. I think that's cool, even in circumstances where it fails to be too terribly good, like 1917.
You wanting me dead is nothing new. Your kind has wanted me dead since my parents threw me out, since i was a literal child. Your outrage only tells me you're afraid now. That you know your abbotoir is on fire, and you sold all the fire suppression systems to buy more cops. There will casualties and 'innocents' and even inmocents¹ who die in that fire. I will cherish the beauty and warmth of it all the same, and only wish that I had been the one to set it.
¹i remember being one of those! If you gave a shit, you were cheering on everything that damned me. As you are now. Why on earth does someone like you suddenly give a shit what i think? Why on earth do you think someone like you, representing a class and a world that threw me away like fucking trash, are entitled to it?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Oooh we got a badass over here lmao. I don't believe you btw, you're some keyboard warrior with an inflated sense of inportance.
You really think "guy standing in Erivansky Square while people indiscriminately bombed just so they could steal money" is "complicit?" Just simply existing near someone in a public square who is deigned a target by you is complicity? That's absolutely fucking stupid lmao, even tankies can't be this dumb. Your parents were right lmao, you suck. You think simply because I believe killing innocent bystanders indescriminately isn't "cool" that I'm afraid? You've clearly never heard of empathy or morals. You are a piece of shit, full stop, maybe if one of your loved ones dies in one of these "cool" attacks for simply walking next to a brinks truck at the wrong time you'll realize how objectively shitty you and your opinions are. Kindly fuck yourself in the eye.
