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RFK Jr.’s FDA chief says diabetics should take cooking classes instead of insulin

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  • G [email protected]

    Yes and no for US. We have folks lining up for ice cream at Walmart and jabbing insulin with it. Diabetes is a diet disease (T2). My A1C was north of 15 when diagnosed. I did go the diet route and managed it before 5.7 for 4 years and now finally it's creeping up to 5.9. It's a chronic disease and will get worse with time.

    Other issue I find is it is expensive to eat healthy in US. So either we need to provide cheaper healthier option or we need to provide insulin. We cannot take them both away.

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    Diabetes is a diet disease

    Poor diet can increase likelihood of developing T2, and good diet can help manage, but diet does not prevent onset of T2.
    Also prevalence of gestational diabetes is often a precursor to T2 later in life even when diet and lifestyle otherwise "healthy".

    Diabetes is sometimes a diet disease, good diet is not a panacea

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    • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU [email protected]

      "Try not being so fat, you fucking fatties" is a reaction I have heard from people who are themselves overweight. It's genuinely maddening to see how many Americans are sold on the most superficial understanding of "healthy" as "fuckable" rather than "capable and resilient".

      So much of the Trump attitude towards health seems to be geared towards eugenics against old ugly poors.

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      That’s what’s stupid too is most of the eugenics are directed at things eugenics don’t even “fix” - it doesn’t matter how well bred you are you will get old and we already have plenty of hot and smart poor people, lots of them even have college educations beyond that, beauty is in the eye of the beholder

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      • jagged_circle@feddit.nlJ [email protected]

        Its just basic statistics

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        I'm referring to the "implicit" part. Giving these people the benefit of the doubt and pretending that they meant something less offensive.

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        • M [email protected]

          Yeah, I’d say yes. It's a primer and warning shot. They’ll roll it out in phases.

          It gets a reaction out of us. And not always a logical one. A lot of people’s gut instinct is just to deny whatever “they” say. That does two things:

          First, it gets their base thinking and talking about how many T2 diabetics are supposedly just consequences of lifestyle.

          Second, it pushes the left into reflexively denying that even though it’s partly true. So now, when any real conversation comes up, there’s already a schism. And they can use that to sneak more garbage through, stuff that benefits them and their friends.

          Can we head them off at the pass?

          No. Never.

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          A ton of T2 diabetes is about lifestyle and not much else that’s still absolutely not a reason to deny a person medical care! What’s next? Denying cancer care if they say it happened because of your lifestyle? It’s amoral

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            Of course we already do that.

            How's that working for us?

            checks how fat America is

            Oh.

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            Good point, let's stop giving people insulin.

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              Even the sun shines on a dogs ass some days.

              He's not wrong, he's just right for the wrong reasons.

              90% of diabetics in the US are type 2. 90%.Our food culture is way out of whack, and we need to fix it.

              Obviously diabetics still need medical care. But revamping the way we view food will allow many Americans to keep the amount of feet they were born with.

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              If one was inclined to fix this epidemic it wouldn’t be by just denying care it would be about educating people, including with free cooking classes, making sure good, healthy foods are plentiful and affordable, it would be about making sure third spaces exist to help people get out of their homes and into their communities to be active and build stronger support systems, it would be about providing medical mentoring and preventive care for free or ultra low cost. He’s not trying to help people with diabetes he’s trying to kill them and why they have diabetes doesn’t matter to him

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              • S [email protected]

                I hate to be one to agree, but if he's referring to type 2 diabetes, then it's actually a valid point.

                Type 2 is not only preventable but reversable (either completely or enough to massively reduce insulin dependency).

                This has been known for a while. Even major diabetes organizations and medical universities say it.

                The problem is, good luck convincing someone to switch their diet. And if they wanted to, they may not even be able to afford it.

                If it were easy, heart disease, cancer, diabetes, and obesity related illnesses would be rare.

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                Type 2 is not only preventable but reversible (either completely or enough to massively reduce insulin dependency).

                They say this works for some, not all individuals.

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                  Robespierre special

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                  A novel approach to cut A1C levels

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                    A ton of T2 diabetes is about lifestyle and not much else that’s still absolutely not a reason to deny a person medical care! What’s next? Denying cancer care if they say it happened because of your lifestyle? It’s amoral

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                    Well think about why they're arguing this point. Break it down logically. What are you actually saying. Like when your wife gets mad you didn't take out the garbage. Is it really about the garbage or is she mad you banged her sister. There's usually a deeper issue at the root and you need to find that core belief. This is about the appearance of health and virirlity. They feel victimhood always and so they project strength. T2 Diabetes is a target because of the implication. My wife is mad because her sister is hotter. It's all about the root.

                    Once you know the root, you can target their insecurity.

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                    • vandals_handle@lemmy.worldV [email protected]

                      Type 2 is not only preventable but reversible (either completely or enough to massively reduce insulin dependency).

                      They say this works for some, not all individuals.

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                      Yep there is a point of no return.

                      I hate to say it, because it’s such a swallow-the-spider, but I hope GP1s are able to help humans overcome food marketing and processed food bullshit. I’m on one myself and it helps me make better decisions because my sugar cravings aren’t leading me around by the nose. As a result I hope to avoid diabetes.

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                        Good point, let's stop giving people insulin.

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                        Obviously diabetics still need medical care.

                        You late for your job at the circus?

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                          Yep there is a point of no return.

                          I hate to say it, because it’s such a swallow-the-spider, but I hope GP1s are able to help humans overcome food marketing and processed food bullshit. I’m on one myself and it helps me make better decisions because my sugar cravings aren’t leading me around by the nose. As a result I hope to avoid diabetes.

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                          Keep at it, it can help prevent. Even if it does not prevent it can make symptoms less severe. Also long sessions of cardio are very helpful, hikes and bike rides can be fun ways to get cardio but treadmill and stationary bike work as well.

                          Source: ADA volunteer who knows hundreds that manage their levels and symptoms with diet and exercise and some that can't. Became a volunteer after losing a close relative that refused to change lifestyle.

                          Edit: there/their/they're

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                          • M [email protected]

                            Can we head them off at the pass?

                            No. Never.

                            Can it come to pass that their heads come off?

                            “All of this has happened before, and it will all happen again.”

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                            No. R3v0luti0n is impossible in a postindustrial society.

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                              To be fair, our western diet of mainly cheap non-nutritive carbs suck. America needs desperately to change their diet but when Michelle Obama tried to encourage better eating habits the Republicans attacked her. JFK jr, on the other hand is totally nuts.
                              It must have been quit a challenge to find the most incompetent losers to fill the failed, fucked-up, fat, fascist, felon's cabinet.

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                                He should take a look at reality maybe?

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                                  Wouldn't they still need insulin though? Even if in lesser quantities.

                                  Not against state funded mandatory cooking classes though if it'll help people eat healthier alongside insulin, though.

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                                    Wouldn't they still need insulin though? Even if in lesser quantities.

                                    Not against state funded mandatory cooking classes though if it'll help people eat healthier alongside insulin, though.

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                                    Type I and II diabetes (mellitus) are different diseases and insulin use isn’t simple enough that diet recommendations (which every diagnosed diabetic probably already knows) are a magical missing piece for RFK Jr.

                                    People with type I are deficient in insulin and it’s part of treating the disease right away. Insulin is used for people with type II, who aren’t deficient but can’t use insulin well, later in the disease progression if other treatments are no longer effective.

                                    If a person with type II diabetes is on insulin, diet was probably treatment number one and has probably already failed or isn’t effective enough.

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                                      RFK is enacting Aktion 74 as part of the construction of the american reich.

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                                        You know, during ww2 when Britain enact very harsh rationing the rate of diabetes and heart disease did drop greatly. Because many fatty staples and meat were hard to come by and sugar was nearly nonexistent.

                                        But you know what was instrumental in increasing life expectancy by almost 10 years almost overnight? The NHS after the war. Even when rationing fully ended in the late 50s life expectancy continued to be much higher despite all the previously hard to get stuff becoming readily available again.

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                                          Maybe investigate dishwashing liquid.... Could that stuff be part of the cause for obesity and diabetes?

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