Seems like the perfect day to ask: Muricans, what's your dream country to expatriate to? Non-Muricans, what's the thought on accepting US refugees?
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Not OP, but probably because they've had a lot of immigration in recent years and it's made their housing situation worse.
Spain is in the same boat
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Okay, but given your original comment that the people who "are already here" (eg. Canadian citizens) should be the only ones to vote, you do seem to be lending weight to the idea that people who were already here should be making the decisions.
Do you think that the first immigrants (settlers) to come here from England and France should also not have been allowed to decide on how the country was run? Or is it only new immigrants that shouldn't be allowed a voice in government? What's the cutoff?
I think they took the land, just like everyone else has been taking land for all of human history, and applying modern government concepts to something that happened a few hundred years ago is stupid.
We can try to prevent future injustices, we can fix wrongs that occurred in the lifetimes of people who are alive (like reparations for residential schools) but trying to go back and change things for anything done prior to anyone alive existing is stupid.
So the cutoff is "is anyone still alive that it directly happened to" and descendents do not count.
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That is it.
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wrote last edited by [email protected]When America sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems with them. They’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime, they’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people.
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7764650-when-mexico-sends-its-people-they-re-not-sending-their-best
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Californian - i want us, oregon, and washington to join canada.
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wrote last edited by [email protected]Costa Rica
Our country attracts a lot of American tourists, they mainly go to the beaches and national parks but I have seen them on my city sometimes
I'm fine with it, I highly suggest you learn Spanish since we are a Spanish-speaking country, and you can only see English on the tourist areas
Also if you want to become a citizen you need to do some sort of exam that for most foreign people is hard. Just so y'all know
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No, you need to find some job and rent a room
As a US citizen you have right to work in most of those countries. Without that right, it would be a different storyAs a US citizen you have right to work in most of those countries.
No you don't, you need a visa to be able to work here, depending on your area of expertise companies might sponsor your visa.
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No where. I like America. What are my other options, realistically? Britain which just banned porn? Australia which banned Hentai? Canada, which is just America but cold and sky high housing costs?
No where. I like America.
Fair enough
What are my other options, realistically?
Lots of them really
Britain which just banned porn?
No they didn't, they just force age verification, which is also common in the USA. So you have the exact same "problem" there, but are missing the free healthcare, and other benefits from the UK in relation to the USA.
Australia which banned Hentai?
Yeah, Australia is weird, they also banned several games and similar stuff because they have a government that's very focused on moral problems, much like the right wing in the USA, so I don't think it will be long before the USA goes down this same rabbit hole of "won't somebody please think of the children" and bans the same things.
Canada, which is just America but cold and sky high housing costs?
I don't even know how to reply to this, the fact that you think that a country that consistently picks the complete opposite policies from the USA is the same means you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. It's like if someone told you they don't want to stop eating deep fried chicken because salad is just the same thing except cold and more expensive.
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Costa Rica
Our country attracts a lot of American tourists, they mainly go to the beaches and national parks but I have seen them on my city sometimes
I'm fine with it, I highly suggest you learn Spanish since we are a Spanish-speaking country, and you can only see English on the tourist areas
Also if you want to become a citizen you need to do some sort of exam that for most foreign people is hard. Just so y'all know
Also even with a gringo accent, you'll fit right in /jk
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I know some folks have strong feelings that people should stay and fight
As someone who thinks that. Sounds like you already fought your fight. And if you already tried it's fair enough to move on.
Thanks. I care a lot about liberty and freedom. I think they come with duty and responsibility. Even though we are anonymous strangers on the internet, I want you to know that I respect everyone who stays and fights either because they cant leave or they choose not to. I hope you all win. I can still vote in federal elections, and I will continue to do so.
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Californian - i want us, oregon, and washington to join canada.
I feel like if CA were to leave the US it would join Mexico, not Canada
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I feel like if CA were to leave the US it would join Mexico, not Canada
fuck no lol joining mexico is submitting yourself to the rule of cartels. Theyre super corrupt.
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American here. Can confirm; do not have $30,000. I just managed to scrounge up $5500 for the minimum possible downpayment on a house in northern Maine; the bluest, closest to Canada place, where people like to mind their own business and not fuck with anyone else for no reason. The Canadian escape route is real, though.
I do hear good things about Portugal. I was thinking Spain, but they seem to be having their own issues right now. This timeline is definitely off the rails.
There were some very fucked up things happening in our very red state, both in general and to us in particular. We had considered something similar, like moving to Maine or Vermont. These things happened just at the right time in 2024 that it was obvious that trump was going to win, but we still had time to plan to get out before he did.
We figured if we were going to go through the hassle of moving far enough away that any friends or family were going to fly to come vist us, that just moving to a blue state wasn't good enough. We figured that when trump was reelected that even blue states wouldn't be safe enough.
And believe me, I am well aware of how fortunate I am, because I was not always so fortunate. I realize that not everyone can do it. There were a couple of women married to each other that lived near us that were scared as hell, but they couldn't afford to move to any of the places they were researching.
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fuck no lol joining mexico is submitting yourself to the rule of cartels. Theyre super corrupt.
Mexico == cartels????!?!!!?!??
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I would take american refugees.
Of course they would have to answers questions from the police regarding their complicity in the Gaza genocide, especially around their vote in a specific elections where both candidates supported genocide.
But don't worry after a few month in jail you'll be able to walk freely
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Canadian here. I'll welcome anyone who voted against Trump.
Those who voted for Trump or didn't vote at all can die in a ditch.
Canada is notoriously genocide friendly. Good that all those genocide voter will get a safe harbour
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And that stops the non-morons from using the guns to end the morons rule how?
I really don't want people to be in situations where they need guns. And liking to use a gun is a sign of a moron - why should nice people be like them?
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As a US citizen you have right to work in most of those countries.
Nope. Absolutely none of those appear to allow working with just a US passport.
Without that right, it would be a different story
... Because I think it is.
But, to be fair, I only did a little searching. If you have a reference - like a page from the gov of Denmark saying "Yanks are cool: come in and get to work" - I'd love to be proved wrong. My nephew needs to see the world, and working is how it's done.
Yeah, I also checked and I was wrong. Not needing an entry visa is nice, but in order to work legally, one needs to find a job before (or there are talent pathways in some countries, but they would work for most other countries).
I am just one of the "non-EU" (and non-US of that matters) people, whom Denmark doesn't like to have, but I'm still living there waiting for my perm residence.
It's always easier to think: "aah, other people have it better!"
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Sure, but finding a job and housing in most of the places I listed is quite challenging, often even for citizens of those countries, but especially immigrants.
Checked and found that US citizens don't have inherent right to work in EU - it's only easier to travel, not to settle down.
And speaking of renting - it really depends. If we're talking about Copenhagen, it is expensive, the market is broken (thanks AirBnb), and it's really hard and expensive to move in. I burned through my savings and owed some money to my employer before I could invite the rest of my family into a freshly-rented apartment. But if we're talking about "a bed under a roof", it's super easy to find a room on FB Marketplace, and live with a couple of other internationals.
So if it's just about "getting out of US" (crazy, I never thought it would be a thing, I'm sorry for them), then finding work is a must, but in a big city you usually can find something. It's only hard to find something nice and permanent -
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Here in Canada we're trying to catch America's brain drain. We especially need doctors quite desperately.
