HR people smiling at you thinking that you are a complete moron
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Really?
Over here in Germany refusing to return items which someone contractually entrusted you is a misdemeanor. You would be treated like, say, a car repair shop who refuses to return your car you entrusted them to repair.
This differs from not paying debt, in that case you are legally in possession (not ownership though!) of whatever indebted item so the only recourse is a civil lawsuit. Besides, repossession can only be done through a court-ordered official:
Due to the state's monopoly on the use of force, foreclosure may only be carried out by state foreclosure bodies, such as bailiffs. With the exception of permitted self-help, unauthorized foreclosure by the creditor is prohibited and is generally unlawful as vigilante justice.
This translation sucks btw, the term "foreclosure" is inaccurate because it refers to a court ordered official either seizing money/stocks/investments and/or physical valuables (valuables = items not required for a modest lifestyle such as jewelry, designer clothes, fancy non-IKEA furniture etc) or foreclosing your property. In case of specific debt like your car they would probably seize that instead unless you demonstrate you rely on it to get to work unless it could be substituted with a cheaper car which would then be provided in exchange.
Technically, yes criminal conversion is certainly a thing. If the laptop was expensive and you lived in a really low crime area where the cops were bored that might get pursued. My experience is that cops are practically more likely to say, absent a court order, to sue the person because it's he-said she-said. It's just too much effort for a potentially muddy situation.
You'd be surprised how often things that are theft/technically theft are not actually pursued by police in the US. The property crime clearance rate (resulting in at least arrest) is <15%.
Holding onto a rental car, on the other hand, is both expensive and cut-and-dried enough (contract states definitive end date ahead of time) to be a bad idea.
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You can't collect unemployment if you get fired.
It depends. I was terminated under false pretenses, so I collected unemployment without any issues.
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The specifics will vary by jurisdiction. The state I live in, you can collect unemployment if fired but it has to be determined that you were not fired for noncompliance with workplace policies or illegal actions. For example if you stole from the cash register and got caught and fired you would not be able to collect unemployment. But if you were fired for poor performance you can receive unemployment
I learned this after a recent workplace decided to make up performance reasons to fire me. The state opened an investigation to determine if unemployment benefits should be paid out, which involved asking both myself and the previous employer about the stated reasons for the discharge, if any written or verbal warnings were given, etc. Hilariously my old employer dropped the entire line of reasoning and just said "it didn't work out" when the investigator for the state spoke with them. I also then learned that the maximum unemployment benefit in my state is only $1200/month which won't cover most folks rents so that's practically useless!
Goddamn that's low. At first I read that as $1200/week, which would be the highest in the nation.
I also got termed for no reason but my state maxes out at $875 per week, low considering the cost of living here.
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The only good thing about getting laid off is 1) you can at least collect unemployment 2) It's easier to get another job because you weren't simply fired
Unemployment isn't that easy to collect in a lot of states. My state's unemployment system is essentially designed to dissuade people from collecting. Tons of red tape, rules, and conditions to wade through and if the stars are right you might start getting checks worth 2/3 the value of your original paycheck a month later.
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I'm usually quite a big fan of not having any prjunddices against people just because they are part of a certain group, gender etc. But please just shut the fuck up. Why do some people (often enough men) simply have to think with their dick and be disgusting human beings?
I'd rather these cretins point themselves out so I know who not to help if they're on fire.
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MegaBux Inc. bought our small ag-biotech firm in 2018. I had developed a high throughput product screening system for natural products against a bunch of animal diseases. The program worked and we identified a bunch of candidates (I also developed the list of things to screen) for botanical/natural solutions to animal diseases. I should have guessed that I was on the chopping block when after finding out some of the things we screened actually worked, I got replaced as PI on the project by someone else much younger. A couple months into 2020 all the folks at the R&D center (including me) got laid off. They did pay severance to us- and mine took me out to October of that year due to my longevity with the firm that was purchased. A couple months after that, a bunch of the junior staff (who were well trained in my methods) got hired back. I was almost 69 at the time, so it was probably time to retire anyway. I was very lucky. This is so familiar! At least I made my stack and can live comfortably on my SS and pensions.
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I'm usually quite a big fan of not having any prjunddices against people just because they are part of a certain group, gender etc. But please just shut the fuck up. Why do some people (often enough men) simply have to think with their dick and be disgusting human beings?
It's being gross about it and referring to her like livestock that bothers me. Breedable. Yuck.
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Where the fuck do y'all work that your HR "rep" looks like Anne Hathaway? Every company I worked for had a lady that looked like she retired after thirty years of proctoring detentions at a public highschool.
Without fail, every single job I've had with an HR department its always been run by a butch lesbian whose dating someone in one of the bullpens or accounting. It's one of those strange coincidences that stop being surprised by after the 3rd time.
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Lay offs aren't related to your behaviour. Just that they cannot afford to keep you.
"they cannot afford to keep you." Oh they almost certainly CAN. They just don't want to.
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MegaBux Inc. bought our small ag-biotech firm in 2018. I had developed a high throughput product screening system for natural products against a bunch of animal diseases. The program worked and we identified a bunch of candidates (I also developed the list of things to screen) for botanical/natural solutions to animal diseases. I should have guessed that I was on the chopping block when after finding out some of the things we screened actually worked, I got replaced as PI on the project by someone else much younger. A couple months into 2020 all the folks at the R&D center (including me) got laid off. They did pay severance to us- and mine took me out to October of that year due to my longevity with the firm that was purchased. A couple months after that, a bunch of the junior staff (who were well trained in my methods) got hired back. I was almost 69 at the time, so it was probably time to retire anyway. I was very lucky. This is so familiar! At least I made my stack and can live comfortably on my SS and pensions.
high-tech solution for measuring and promoting old tech efficacy? investors looking at this “How is this supposed to make us more profitable as a company?” CTO in response “…We could sell the information to other companies… or even trade it with third parties like individuals, or even organs of government…”. Investors: “Interesting! We would need to be careful with how we would go about doing that, no?” CTO: “sigh Time to reorganize the department again. and this time I must be sure to purge the lead designer on the software, so they don’t form any attachments to the use cases of the sale or propriety of the resultant information from the project”
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Probably equivalent to about a $2k PC.
the laptop I'm working on right now cost me $1600 new in March and it is AWESOME. It replaced a Mac I bought in 2016 for $1800. My son uses PCs. He's bought 4 in the same time period for about $1000-1200 each. Tell me whose computers are most expensive.
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the insulting thing out of it is I paid for his beers! he KNEW I was getting laid off and didn't say "hey...maybe I should be paying for these" nope, gladly accepted my money. He tried to contact me after the fact and I just blocked him.
I was going to say that if the workplace is harsh and the IT guy would get fired for telling you, in his place I might not say anything and then immediately apologize. And apparently get blocked with no discussion.
But damn, letting you pay?
And it's kind of irrelevant because you acted as if you already knew anyway, lol.
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Yeah you can. You forfeit UI if you quit voluntarily. You’d only lose it if you got fired for doing something illegal, I think
Nope. There are firings with cause that have nothing to do with legality and it turns out that's most of them by far. You can legally tell customers to lick your balls and you will probably get fired for misconduct and then you won't get benefits. What constitutes "misconduct" varies by state but none of them require you to break the law.
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Sending Anne Hathaway to fire me? I'll accept that.
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Sending Anne Hathaway to fire me? I'll accept that.
She looks odd to me. Ever since I saw the video to Black Hole Sun...
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Nope. There are firings with cause that have nothing to do with legality and it turns out that's most of them by far. You can legally tell customers to lick your balls and you will probably get fired for misconduct and then you won't get benefits. What constitutes "misconduct" varies by state but none of them require you to break the law.
Probably more protections in blue states I’m guessing
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Oh. I heard this bluff from Pat Geisinger himself, in person.
I was employed by VMware many moons ago when Pat took the helm. He decided to start by cutting an entire department from my location, sight unseen.
We then changed all the furniture because they had two floors of the building and wanted to cut back since they just lost half a floor of people.
We go home, work from home for a while, then return. Then Pat comes by for a site visit.
He stood there with the gall to say that the team that was cut was a different business unit, and that was a business decision regarding that business unit (it was the front line team, which was then relocated to "low cost centers").... Blah blah blah.... This is a different department, a different business unit, blah blah, what happened to them is isolated, and doesn't mean anything regarding your employment.... Blah blah ....
I didn't buy it for a second. But I was too stressed out to do anything at the time.
The layoffs started less than six months later. I was part of the first round.
Fuck you Pat.
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Ready to be laid off, i can feel it coming considering the economy feels like its on stilts and my company scrapping the bottom of the barrel for projects to work on.
I don't own anything and don't have anybody.
Prepared for my NEET life.
Hmm, do we work at the same place? I can set you up with my old camping gear...
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"oh I'm sorry, I had to leave early. Something's come up. You'll receive FMLA paperwork soon; I'm afraid I have to invoke mandatory legally protected family medical leave. See you in at least 90 days"
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Being sarcastic got me fired. Twice.
Based tho
