Proton CEO Andy Yen Interview

[excessshiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

Many feel betrayed because he (partially at least) politically aligns with someone (and something) they loathe intensely. The feeling of betrayal probably comes from an implied idea that because they align on the issue of digital privacy they naturally do so in other aspects, and with the comments made by the CEO that idea is burst and someone who once felt familiar is now foreign.

[davel@lemmy.ml]

Please summarize in what way he betrayed anyone?

People feel betrayed that he kissed Trump’s ring, so to speak. But that’s CEOs for you. The bourgeoisie have class solidarity.

[sic_semper_tyrannis@lemmy.today]

Nothing in that article suggests Proton doesn't care about privacy. Every country has laws that must be abided by. Their verbage on not logging IPs was misleading but not inaccurate as they weren't until ordered to by law. At that point the law was able to find the person because of lack of opsec on the perp's part.

Besides that, to my knowledge all of Proton is open source and encrypted. It has been audited and proven to be secure.

Quit letting politics ruin our collective privacy by suggesting to people that Proton is now an evil company. They support Trump because they think his business policies will benefit their company. True or false as that may be their company is still great for privacy and we shouldn't be infighting about that.

[sic_semper_tyrannis@lemmy.today]

@anonymous comment still stands. Your previous comment doesn't indicate how he is incorrect, if that is what you're suggesting.

[lukecooperatus@lemmy.ml]

He doesn't have to be incorrect in order for people to feel betrayed by his comments. The commenter was answering the question of why people felt betrayed. Demonstrating the incorrectness of the CEO's take is out of scope.

(Although, he definitely is also incorrect. Republicans love corporations and monopolies even more than Democrats do. They're slightly more nationalistic about it though, which is the only reason they ever make noises to oppose corporations that aren't sufficiently US-owned.)

[zdhzm2pgp@lemmy.ml]

Unless I'm missing something, didn't Yen just praise 's pick for antitrust AG? I forget her name, but her Wikipedia page didn't make her sound all that great, so I'm not sure what exactly he was praising her for. If that's all it is (and it might not be!) that hardly sounds like a betrayal.

[blametheantifa@lemmy.world]

I didn’t realize that. What’re the best Proton alternatives?

[tramort@programming.dev]

This guy is a fascist, and nobody should be using proton.

[cris_color@lemmy.world]

Personally I've been using Tutanota and bitwarden happily. I guess it kinda depends on what you're looking for alternatives to, I don't know if anyone else offers as comprehensive of a complete suite of stuff

[simple@lemm.ee]

Making a dumb tweet doesn't make you a fascist and doesn't invalidate the years of hard work people put into a non-profit swiss company, you should get over yourself.

[tramort@programming.dev]

No indeed.

But supporting an administration (in any medium) whose inauguration included a Nazi salute does, in fact, make you a fascist.

And no: it doesn't matter if you previously did something good.

It's really not that complicated,

[idkwhatusernametoputherelolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

Tbf, the nazi salute happened after he did that tweet

[horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world]

Proton has a business model where they want the user to put their eggs all in one basket. If you want that kind of userbase you need to leave your personal politics out of it. The problem isn't that the CEO is right wing. It's that he is very publicly right wing. Supports a known huckster. And lastly could be vying for a role in the administration. All of this calls into question just for how long Proton will be secure before they are selling user info to the state.

Politics are very fucking important in terms of security when you're a whistleblower or dissident.

[tramort@programming.dev]

Fair point. But no adult who is paying attention needed the salute to understand the contempt that Musk has for the rule of law.

He marshalled an attack on the capital. No non-fascist does that.

[tootguitar@sh.itjust.works]

Quit letting politics ruin our collective ability to drive by suggesting to people that Volkswagen is now an evil company. They support Hitler because they think his business policies will benefit their company. True or false as that may be their company is still great at making cars and we shouldn't be infighting about that.

[shortn0te@lemmy.ml]

The tweet he commented on was indeed a nice idea, but a CEO should have more foresight that the things Trump stated in it would not be true.
When you look at it now, it looks like it was more or less a threat that led to a closer relationship between "tech bros" and the current administration instead of the "take down" of them.

[limonene@lemmy.world]

Trump isn't the politician I most loathe. He's just the only politician that I've ever feared might kill or imprison me purely for who I am.

[transitinoir@slrpnk.net]

He marshalled an attack on the capital. No non-fascist does that.

uh, you sure about that?

[0x0@programming.dev]

+1 for tuta and bitwarden.

[ferk@lemmy.ml]

I think the "he" there was @[email protected], not the CEO of Proton.