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RFK Jr.’s FDA chief says diabetics should take cooking classes instead of insulin

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  • P [email protected]

    I mean yes, he is wrong. They'd still need the fucking insulin. Even if type 2 is reversible, it's not going to be immediate.

    Dude didn't say, "we should be encouraging these people to eat better" because we already do that. Of course we already do that.

    He said that they should take cooking classes instead of insulin.

    Stop giving these ghouls the benefit of the doubt. They literally want you dead.

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    Of course we already do that.

    How's that working for us?

    checks how fat America is

    Oh.

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    • S [email protected]

      Is a total ban on diabetes medicine on the way? This is an effort to kill anyone who isn't young and fit.

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      Is a total ban on diabetes medicine on the way?

      Insulin, anyways. I'm sure semaglutide will still be available, since it's such a weight-loss wonder-drug

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      • M [email protected]

        Yeah, I’d say yes. It's a primer and warning shot. They’ll roll it out in phases.

        It gets a reaction out of us. And not always a logical one. A lot of people’s gut instinct is just to deny whatever “they” say. That does two things:

        First, it gets their base thinking and talking about how many T2 diabetics are supposedly just consequences of lifestyle.

        Second, it pushes the left into reflexively denying that even though it’s partly true. So now, when any real conversation comes up, there’s already a schism. And they can use that to sneak more garbage through, stuff that benefits them and their friends.

        Can we head them off at the pass?

        No. Never.

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        Can we head them off at the pass?

        No. Never.

        Can it come to pass that their heads come off?

        “All of this has happened before, and it will all happen again.”

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        • jagged_circle@feddit.nlJ [email protected]

          Is he suggesting that the US is going to fund free cooking classes that are low in fat and sugar? Because that's a great idea.

          And they should also provide free insulin.

          Maybe we can compromise and say that you have to attend 4 hours of free cooking classes every month to receive your free insulin for the month?

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          They're not going to fund anything. Nothing is free.

          It's a great idea, and they'll just talk about it while killing the presently funded programs, then do nothing.

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          • G [email protected]

            Yes and no for US. We have folks lining up for ice cream at Walmart and jabbing insulin with it. Diabetes is a diet disease (T2). My A1C was north of 15 when diagnosed. I did go the diet route and managed it before 5.7 for 4 years and now finally it's creeping up to 5.9. It's a chronic disease and will get worse with time.

            Other issue I find is it is expensive to eat healthy in US. So either we need to provide cheaper healthier option or we need to provide insulin. We cannot take them both away.

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            it is expensive to eat healthy in US

            Expensive and inconvenient.

            If you're not cooking for yourself, 95%+ of what's available for "low effort" is sugar coated salty fat bombs. That's what "free market" competition in restaurants gets you: hyper-attractive foods.

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            • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU [email protected]

              Food that's bad for you is often cheap to transport and preserve for long periods. An apple will rot in weeks, but a twinkie can sit on a shelf for years.

              The industrialization of agriculture has been highly profitable for a handful of insiders and horrible for everyone else.

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              The industrialization of agriculture has been highly profitable for a handful of insiders and horrible for everyone else.

              Industrialization of agriculture is what keeps enough calories flowing from the farms to the people.

              Commercialization of foods - processed foods, fast food restaurants, chain restaurants, ex-tobacco industry leadership of the food companies, that's the biggest driver of "horrible" - unless you're profiting from the healthcare costs that are ballooning with American waistlines.

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              • M [email protected]

                Can we head them off at the pass?

                No. Never.

                Can it come to pass that their heads come off?

                “All of this has happened before, and it will all happen again.”

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                Splendid turn of phrase.

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                  nonononono that's communism

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                  Yes. All the food should be free too, of course

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                  • P [email protected]

                    I don't understand why people are still so insistent on being charitable to these scumbags.

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                    Its just basic statistics

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                      Syringes for me, but not for thee.

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                      • G [email protected]

                        Yes and no for US. We have folks lining up for ice cream at Walmart and jabbing insulin with it. Diabetes is a diet disease (T2). My A1C was north of 15 when diagnosed. I did go the diet route and managed it before 5.7 for 4 years and now finally it's creeping up to 5.9. It's a chronic disease and will get worse with time.

                        Other issue I find is it is expensive to eat healthy in US. So either we need to provide cheaper healthier option or we need to provide insulin. We cannot take them both away.

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                        Diabetes is a diet disease

                        Poor diet can increase likelihood of developing T2, and good diet can help manage, but diet does not prevent onset of T2.
                        Also prevalence of gestational diabetes is often a precursor to T2 later in life even when diet and lifestyle otherwise "healthy".

                        Diabetes is sometimes a diet disease, good diet is not a panacea

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                        • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU [email protected]

                          "Try not being so fat, you fucking fatties" is a reaction I have heard from people who are themselves overweight. It's genuinely maddening to see how many Americans are sold on the most superficial understanding of "healthy" as "fuckable" rather than "capable and resilient".

                          So much of the Trump attitude towards health seems to be geared towards eugenics against old ugly poors.

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                          That’s what’s stupid too is most of the eugenics are directed at things eugenics don’t even “fix” - it doesn’t matter how well bred you are you will get old and we already have plenty of hot and smart poor people, lots of them even have college educations beyond that, beauty is in the eye of the beholder

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                          • jagged_circle@feddit.nlJ [email protected]

                            Its just basic statistics

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                            I'm referring to the "implicit" part. Giving these people the benefit of the doubt and pretending that they meant something less offensive.

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                            • M [email protected]

                              Yeah, I’d say yes. It's a primer and warning shot. They’ll roll it out in phases.

                              It gets a reaction out of us. And not always a logical one. A lot of people’s gut instinct is just to deny whatever “they” say. That does two things:

                              First, it gets their base thinking and talking about how many T2 diabetics are supposedly just consequences of lifestyle.

                              Second, it pushes the left into reflexively denying that even though it’s partly true. So now, when any real conversation comes up, there’s already a schism. And they can use that to sneak more garbage through, stuff that benefits them and their friends.

                              Can we head them off at the pass?

                              No. Never.

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                              A ton of T2 diabetes is about lifestyle and not much else that’s still absolutely not a reason to deny a person medical care! What’s next? Denying cancer care if they say it happened because of your lifestyle? It’s amoral

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                                Of course we already do that.

                                How's that working for us?

                                checks how fat America is

                                Oh.

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                                Good point, let's stop giving people insulin.

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                                • D [email protected]

                                  Even the sun shines on a dogs ass some days.

                                  He's not wrong, he's just right for the wrong reasons.

                                  90% of diabetics in the US are type 2. 90%.Our food culture is way out of whack, and we need to fix it.

                                  Obviously diabetics still need medical care. But revamping the way we view food will allow many Americans to keep the amount of feet they were born with.

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                                  If one was inclined to fix this epidemic it wouldn’t be by just denying care it would be about educating people, including with free cooking classes, making sure good, healthy foods are plentiful and affordable, it would be about making sure third spaces exist to help people get out of their homes and into their communities to be active and build stronger support systems, it would be about providing medical mentoring and preventive care for free or ultra low cost. He’s not trying to help people with diabetes he’s trying to kill them and why they have diabetes doesn’t matter to him

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                                  • S [email protected]

                                    I hate to be one to agree, but if he's referring to type 2 diabetes, then it's actually a valid point.

                                    Type 2 is not only preventable but reversable (either completely or enough to massively reduce insulin dependency).

                                    This has been known for a while. Even major diabetes organizations and medical universities say it.

                                    The problem is, good luck convincing someone to switch their diet. And if they wanted to, they may not even be able to afford it.

                                    If it were easy, heart disease, cancer, diabetes, and obesity related illnesses would be rare.

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                                    Type 2 is not only preventable but reversible (either completely or enough to massively reduce insulin dependency).

                                    They say this works for some, not all individuals.

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                                      Robespierre special

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                                      A novel approach to cut A1C levels

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                                      • Z [email protected]

                                        A ton of T2 diabetes is about lifestyle and not much else that’s still absolutely not a reason to deny a person medical care! What’s next? Denying cancer care if they say it happened because of your lifestyle? It’s amoral

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                                        Well think about why they're arguing this point. Break it down logically. What are you actually saying. Like when your wife gets mad you didn't take out the garbage. Is it really about the garbage or is she mad you banged her sister. There's usually a deeper issue at the root and you need to find that core belief. This is about the appearance of health and virirlity. They feel victimhood always and so they project strength. T2 Diabetes is a target because of the implication. My wife is mad because her sister is hotter. It's all about the root.

                                        Once you know the root, you can target their insecurity.

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                                        • vandals_handle@lemmy.worldV [email protected]

                                          Type 2 is not only preventable but reversible (either completely or enough to massively reduce insulin dependency).

                                          They say this works for some, not all individuals.

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                                          Yep there is a point of no return.

                                          I hate to say it, because it’s such a swallow-the-spider, but I hope GP1s are able to help humans overcome food marketing and processed food bullshit. I’m on one myself and it helps me make better decisions because my sugar cravings aren’t leading me around by the nose. As a result I hope to avoid diabetes.

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