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    Baptism is such a weird thing. It's ritualized cleansing turned into one and done

    You can get baptized as many times as you like, it doesn't stack

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    • theneverfox@pawb.socialT [email protected]

      Baptism is such a weird thing. It's ritualized cleansing turned into one and done

      You can get baptized as many times as you like, it doesn't stack

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      Per the actual wiki, some denominations seem to think it's a sin or heresy to do someone more than once. Which seems like what the nullification in the baptize function is supposed to capture.

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        That honestly seems like the best way to write conditionalBaptize but I still hate it. Probably because IRL you'd just rewrite baptism instead of retrofitting the function with a clever use of id.

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          Baptism is such a weird thing. It's ritualized cleansing turned into one and done

          You can get baptized as many times as you like, it doesn't stack

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          Could you imagine how op you could become though if baptisms stacked

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          • theneverfox@pawb.socialT [email protected]

            Baptism is such a weird thing. It's ritualized cleansing turned into one and done

            You can get baptized as many times as you like, it doesn't stack

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            The LDS (Mormons) actually do repeat it, in a sense. Their weekly sacrament is a renewal of their baptismal blessings

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              Which denominations implement idempotent baptisms?

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                Could you imagine how op you could become though if baptisms stacked

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                Can you get more clean than clean?

                Numbers are a human thing. The universe don't care

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                  That honestly seems like the best way to write conditionalBaptize but I still hate it. Probably because IRL you'd just rewrite baptism instead of retrofitting the function with a clever use of id.

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                  This is probably an ok use for a GADT. Something like:

                  {-# LANGUAGE DataKinds      #-}
                  {-# LANGUAGE GADTs          #-}
                  {-# LANGUAGE KindSignatures #-}
                  
                  data Bap = Baptized | Unbaptized
                  
                  data Person :: Bap -> * where
                     Baptize :: Person Unbaptized -> Person Baptized
                     NewPerson :: Person Unbaptized
                  
                  conditionalBaptize :: Person a -> Person Baptized
                  conditionalBaptize p =
                      case p of NewPerson -> Baptize p
                                Baptize _ -> p
                  
                  main = return ()
                  
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                    Sounds like Haskell needs an official Saint.

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                    • theneverfox@pawb.socialT [email protected]

                      Baptism is such a weird thing. It's ritualized cleansing turned into one and done

                      You can get baptized as many times as you like, it doesn't stack

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                      Baptism is such a weird thing.

                      I think Haskell is such a weird thing

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                      • theneverfox@pawb.socialT [email protected]

                        Can you get more clean than clean?

                        Numbers are a human thing. The universe don't care

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                        I think erasing one's body could make you more clean than clean

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                          This is probably an ok use for a GADT. Something like:

                          {-# LANGUAGE DataKinds      #-}
                          {-# LANGUAGE GADTs          #-}
                          {-# LANGUAGE KindSignatures #-}
                          
                          data Bap = Baptized | Unbaptized
                          
                          data Person :: Bap -> * where
                             Baptize :: Person Unbaptized -> Person Baptized
                             NewPerson :: Person Unbaptized
                          
                          conditionalBaptize :: Person a -> Person Baptized
                          conditionalBaptize p =
                              case p of NewPerson -> Baptize p
                                        Baptize _ -> p
                          
                          main = return ()
                          
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                          Thank you for refactoring baptism. How do we push this to production now?

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                            Numbers are a human thing. The universe don't care

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                            I imagine if baptisms stacked, you could pile on a gazillion of them like ablative armor against incoming sin.

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                              The LDS (Mormons) actually do repeat it, in a sense. Their weekly sacrament is a renewal of their baptismal blessings

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                              Probably the reason some other sects call double-dipping a sin, so as to not be like those Mormons.

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                                Thank you for refactoring baptism. How do we push this to production now?

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                                Hey hey hey, let's start with a PR, we are not savages here aren't we?

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                                    Per the actual wiki, some denominations seem to think it's a sin or heresy to do someone more than once. Which seems like what the nullification in the baptize function is supposed to capture.

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                                    some denominations seem to think it's a sin or heresy to do someone more than once

                                    Those denominations must have really high divorce rates..

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                                      Can you get more clean than clean?

                                      Numbers are a human thing. The universe don't care

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                                      Numbers are a human thing. The universe don't care

                                      Doubly so with religion, though 🤷

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                                        I think erasing one's body could make you more clean than clean

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                                        So what you're saying is that fundies need to be cremated? Possibly AFTER death from other causes?

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                                          Can you get more clean than clean?

                                          Numbers are a human thing. The universe don't care

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                                          Conceptual numeracy is a human thing. The universe absolutely cares about quantifiable physical properties which we represent as numbers.

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