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  • theneverfox@pawb.socialT [email protected]

    Baptism is such a weird thing. It's ritualized cleansing turned into one and done

    You can get baptized as many times as you like, it doesn't stack

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    Per the actual wiki, some denominations seem to think it's a sin or heresy to do someone more than once. Which seems like what the nullification in the baptize function is supposed to capture.

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      That honestly seems like the best way to write conditionalBaptize but I still hate it. Probably because IRL you'd just rewrite baptism instead of retrofitting the function with a clever use of id.

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      • theneverfox@pawb.socialT [email protected]

        Baptism is such a weird thing. It's ritualized cleansing turned into one and done

        You can get baptized as many times as you like, it doesn't stack

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        Could you imagine how op you could become though if baptisms stacked

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        • theneverfox@pawb.socialT [email protected]

          Baptism is such a weird thing. It's ritualized cleansing turned into one and done

          You can get baptized as many times as you like, it doesn't stack

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          The LDS (Mormons) actually do repeat it, in a sense. Their weekly sacrament is a renewal of their baptismal blessings

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            Which denominations implement idempotent baptisms?

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              Could you imagine how op you could become though if baptisms stacked

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              Can you get more clean than clean?

              Numbers are a human thing. The universe don't care

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                That honestly seems like the best way to write conditionalBaptize but I still hate it. Probably because IRL you'd just rewrite baptism instead of retrofitting the function with a clever use of id.

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                This is probably an ok use for a GADT. Something like:

                {-# LANGUAGE DataKinds      #-}
                {-# LANGUAGE GADTs          #-}
                {-# LANGUAGE KindSignatures #-}
                
                data Bap = Baptized | Unbaptized
                
                data Person :: Bap -> * where
                   Baptize :: Person Unbaptized -> Person Baptized
                   NewPerson :: Person Unbaptized
                
                conditionalBaptize :: Person a -> Person Baptized
                conditionalBaptize p =
                    case p of NewPerson -> Baptize p
                              Baptize _ -> p
                
                main = return ()
                
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                  Sounds like Haskell needs an official Saint.

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                  • theneverfox@pawb.socialT [email protected]

                    Baptism is such a weird thing. It's ritualized cleansing turned into one and done

                    You can get baptized as many times as you like, it doesn't stack

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                    Baptism is such a weird thing.

                    I think Haskell is such a weird thing

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                    • theneverfox@pawb.socialT [email protected]

                      Can you get more clean than clean?

                      Numbers are a human thing. The universe don't care

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                      I think erasing one's body could make you more clean than clean

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                        This is probably an ok use for a GADT. Something like:

                        {-# LANGUAGE DataKinds      #-}
                        {-# LANGUAGE GADTs          #-}
                        {-# LANGUAGE KindSignatures #-}
                        
                        data Bap = Baptized | Unbaptized
                        
                        data Person :: Bap -> * where
                           Baptize :: Person Unbaptized -> Person Baptized
                           NewPerson :: Person Unbaptized
                        
                        conditionalBaptize :: Person a -> Person Baptized
                        conditionalBaptize p =
                            case p of NewPerson -> Baptize p
                                      Baptize _ -> p
                        
                        main = return ()
                        
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                        Thank you for refactoring baptism. How do we push this to production now?

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                        • theneverfox@pawb.socialT [email protected]

                          Can you get more clean than clean?

                          Numbers are a human thing. The universe don't care

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                          I imagine if baptisms stacked, you could pile on a gazillion of them like ablative armor against incoming sin.

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                            The LDS (Mormons) actually do repeat it, in a sense. Their weekly sacrament is a renewal of their baptismal blessings

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                            Probably the reason some other sects call double-dipping a sin, so as to not be like those Mormons.

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                              Thank you for refactoring baptism. How do we push this to production now?

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                              Hey hey hey, let's start with a PR, we are not savages here aren't we?

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                                  Per the actual wiki, some denominations seem to think it's a sin or heresy to do someone more than once. Which seems like what the nullification in the baptize function is supposed to capture.

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                                  some denominations seem to think it's a sin or heresy to do someone more than once

                                  Those denominations must have really high divorce rates..

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                                  • theneverfox@pawb.socialT [email protected]

                                    Can you get more clean than clean?

                                    Numbers are a human thing. The universe don't care

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                                    Numbers are a human thing. The universe don't care

                                    Doubly so with religion, though 🤷

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                                      I think erasing one's body could make you more clean than clean

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                                      So what you're saying is that fundies need to be cremated? Possibly AFTER death from other causes?

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                                      • theneverfox@pawb.socialT [email protected]

                                        Can you get more clean than clean?

                                        Numbers are a human thing. The universe don't care

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                                        Conceptual numeracy is a human thing. The universe absolutely cares about quantifiable physical properties which we represent as numbers.

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                                          Sounds like Haskell needs an official Saint.

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                                          There's an old joke about functional programming separating Church from state.

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