They've got a point!
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the history of liberation struggles are out there and relatively easy to find if you’re willing to read up on political thinkers like Harriett Tubman, Malcom X, Frederick Douglas, Martin Luther King Jr, bell hooks, Nikki Giovanni, Carter G Woodson, Rosa Parks, Daisey Bates, Fannie Lou Hamer, Audre Lorde, Clara Luper, Toni Morrison, and Bayard Rustin.
Hahaha, ok, now you're objectively trolling. You say I should read up on liberation and "pan-Africanism" by reading 14 Usans and 0 non-Usans?! In the same comment as you write "read theory and history somewhere other than the eurocentric"?!? lmao
You're trying to colonise leftist internationalism. Why would we look to the USA instead of,e.g., Vietnam?
i'm blocking you because it's patently obvious you're a troll. i just want to outline the problems with how this conversation has gone down so that in the future you can coalition build better (though based on your stance that oppressed people in an oppressive nation are not worth listening to because they live in an oppressive nation, i suspect you don't believe in coalition building, but rather the failed doctrine of vanguard leftism).
this whole conversation began with you coming into this conversation with a white supremacist definition of an oppressed people's word. myself and others asked that you re-evaluate that term and instead doubled down on your notion that your understanding of the word is intrinsically superior on account of that you are further separated from the origins of the term than anyone else. obviously the thinkers, in the context of "you don't understand Black language" i brought up were going to be people who inherited their resistance forms from their enslaved ancestors from North America. so you shifted the goal posts to that i didn't represent pan Africanism properly because all of the thinkers i mentioned were from North America.
obviously i understand that pan Africanism is defined by thinkers all across the Black diaspora and within the African continent. For a full view of pan Africanism, one would need to also ingest the history of the Congolese people, Ethiopia, Sudan, South Africa, Ethiopia, Senegal, and Somalia, all particular hotbeds for the European rape of Africa. You would also need to read up on Marcus Garvey and Black supremacy as well as critiques of this notion written by leaders in Africa about why retributive colonialism should not be the aim of liberation movements because an oppressed person anywhere represents oppressed people everywhere. an honest history of Patrice Lumumba is one of the best starting points i can think of as he worked tirelessly to decolonize the Congo, eventually leading to his assassination (probably at the hands of the CIA).
but you said it yourself. your aim is not to build bridges or to gain understandings or to shift the future narrative. only to cut leftist thinkers in America out because they are American. we ask not to lead, but just to be at the table when it comes to international solidarity. and i'll fully admit i'm an imperfect ally. i work every day to hear my trans sisters, my Black brethren, and my indigenous forebears to understand how people who look like me have hurt them and prevented their ability to thrive. i look to the Taino, Mayan, Mexican, Uiygher, Igbo, Nez Perce, Ukrainian, Cambodian, Irish, Jewish, and Cherokee stories of persistence on the margins to better understand the tactics that will help a queer jewish anarcho-communist like me pass this story on so that descendents who will inherit my story can sit in the shade of trees i will never see. i have blind spots and i know this. but you being proud of your blind spots, and the fact that you refer to Black political thought through the hegemonic lens of white supremacy both in how you understand the word "woke" and how you use the word "Black" does not make you better than me. it makes you ignorant. the only difference is i admit to my ignorance and work to expand my world view. easily my biggest knowlege gap is the precolonial history of what is now the so-called United States and Canada and the African continet. this is on purpose by our opressors and i'm in active work to remedy this.
so anyway. i guess this is all a long winded way of saying i know i don't have the full picture. that doesn't make refusing to know what "woke" means and policing that online discussions of the term should take the white supremacist meaning good
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Nope. One side are Nazis, dude. If you're not opposed to fascism, got some bad news for you...
wrote last edited by [email protected]Cool fallacy & us-them/with-us-or-against-us bias, bro.
Do we need our reading checked?
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Many self described woke people are in fact ignorant fucking twats. One political outlook does not make u not an ignorant twat. You can be both. U can be neither. This is a false dichotomy. And ur attempt to put people in one of 2 boxes without acknowledging any sort of nuance around it clearly indicates the box you fall into.
Lemmy loves fallacies & circlejerks.
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Cool fallacy & us-them/with-us-or-against-us bias, bro.
Do we need our reading checked?
Choosing neither (as they wrote) doesn't mean choosing fascism: it can still be opposed.Oh boo hoo.
Have fun in your Nazi bar
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When did we decide that the worst people in the world get to decide what words mean
We didn't.
Woke has gotten a bad name from online activity that mostly consists of self-congratulatory behavior & discussions that primarily reinforce their existing beliefs without fostering genuine debate, critical self-reflection, or engagement with diverse perspectives.
Dogmatic self-righteousness of those online voices can often seem more focused on mutual validation & alienating others (for personal validation) than on winning people over (changing their minds) to achieve real change.
It gives an impression of phony, performative activism for self-gratification that may make progressivism & good causes look fake & insincere.Some people are arguably woke (in the older sense) enough to acknowledge faults & critically reflect on them.
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Oh boo hoo.
Have fun in your Nazi bar
wrote last edited by [email protected]Have fun reinforcing fallacies & calling everyone who calls them out a nazi to achieve that optimal circlejerk.
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Also a reminder that woke is used negatively by the same people who cannot tell the difference between badly photoshopped letters and a gang tattoo.
Twas an obvious superimposition of letters to (likely) lie about the meaning of the tattoo, no?
Know MANY people saw:
[Below, As Undisclosed Photoshop]
After seeing pixels over years I saw:
Obviously the fact that you & 66 others just in this thread, and hundreds or thousands online are upset about the superimposition, indicate it was stupid/dishonest. Sigh what else is new w/current admin!
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Have fun reinforcing fallacies & calling everyone who calls them out a nazi to achieve that optimal circlejerk.
Self-confirmation bias is quite a rush.I have no idea what the hell you're even on about, dude.
But, no, if you do not oppose fascism, then you damn well do enable it. Whether you likes this or not doesn't change the fact that it's true. So go whine about your your moral high ground or where the hell you're on about as much as you want.
But since you are honestly sounding like you are attempting to defend fascism, I'm going to go ahead and permanently ignore your dumbass now...
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I have no idea what the hell you're even on about, dude.
But, no, if you do not oppose fascism, then you damn well do enable it. Whether you likes this or not doesn't change the fact that it's true. So go whine about your your moral high ground or where the hell you're on about as much as you want.
But since you are honestly sounding like you are attempting to defend fascism, I'm going to go ahead and permanently ignore your dumbass now...
I have no idea what the hell you’re even on about, dude.
That's called illiteracy.
Please learn to read & comprehend reading.
Maybe look shit up or crack open a book or just look at the words written in the comments carefully: where did anyone claim to defend fascism?Just another illiterate narcissist confirming why woke has a bad reputation.
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If you're not woke your eyes are closed
Or stuffed with wool.
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The anti woke crowd .. hear that it is in someway anti racist
And dismiss it . They like their racism... It makes them feel important and powerful
Bully them into submission, racism and anti woke is not accepted, rather have peaceful people being themselves, than the people getting angry for people loving the same gender or trying to love themselves
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I honestly don't see people using "woke" positively these days.
wrote last edited by [email protected]That’s because most of us just call it what it is: empathy.
But they’re trying to make that a pejorative too now.
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Thanks to the commenter who reminded me that it's not bad to be reminded that the term is only a pejorative because conservative racists made it so.
"Drawing Bayesian inferences after extensive sampling, I've determined that it's 99-percent certain that anyone who uses 'woke' as pejorative will turn out to be a fuckhead. Please don't blame me for pointing this out—it's just science." — Mike Godwin
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Thanks to the commenter who reminded me that it's not bad to be reminded that the term is only a pejorative because conservative racists made it so.
1000% correct
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That’s because most of us just call it what it is: empathy.
But they’re trying to make that a pejorative too now.
well.. sure yeah. My point still stands about "woke" though.
