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    45 year old here...I'm pretty sure I've never bought an analog clock and I think it would be weird for a school—or any place, really—to have one. I'm not surprised kids don't learn outdated technology and anybody who is mad about it should pick up a slide rule.

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      If the yung-uns have no drive to turn back time and actually use and develop their brains, because my gen isn't going to rescue them and the boomers have also fallen into the internet trap. It's on them to save themselves, really.

      If these trends keep going the way they are then idiocracy becomes reality.

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      Idiocracy won't happen.

      The smart people aren't going to prepare a solution. And the planet will probably cook before then anyway.

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        I totally misunderstood your point. You disagreed with the guy who said only diagnosed disabilities should be treated with respect so I thought you agreed with me when I said unrelated skills shouldn't be discriminate against. Apparently the discrimination never was an issue for you. I am once again disappointed in humanity.

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        I'm not really sure what you're talking about, but I think you might be missing context. When I said he's using text-to-speech I don't mean he's blind, I mean he can't read. Cuz in a different thread he corrected when I typed "U" and replied "*you". And he keeps saying "read again" that's why I said that? Is this what you meant?

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          I had to check the community to verify I accidentally opened c/fakeconservativememes.

          It was a relief when I realized this wasn't c/Lemmy Shitpost.

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            Throughout middle school and high school, my bedroom clock was one of these, just the mechanism, no face, no numbers, hanging off the edge of a shelf. I had no trouble reading it. I still can easily read an analog clock with no numbers or any face marks.

            Clock parts

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            Congratulations! ⭐

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              45 year old here...I'm pretty sure I've never bought an analog clock and I think it would be weird for a school—or any place, really—to have one. I'm not surprised kids don't learn outdated technology and anybody who is mad about it should pick up a slide rule.

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              Every school i have been in has them, even last week. Many lesson plans include analog clock stuff because its another way to deal with fractions, and help kids learn analog in case they are in an old building or subway/airport that has analog clocks.
              It's not quite obsolete yet.

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                Schools removing books as teenagers cannot read them.

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                  It could be to deal with learning disabilities not the average kid which makes it mostly false.

                  Also a recommendation doesn’t mean it happened.

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                  My son has down syndrome, he did better with analog because you can see the motion and time left in an hour, whereas digital was abstract and he didn't really grasp 47 was getting close to 60 etc.

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                    Next schools will start removing textbooks because students cannot read. They will replace with audio books.

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                      Imagine falling for this boomer rage bait when half the details are obviously and clearly censored.

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                        I'm 35. Math major. Work in STEM. Well educated.

                        I hate analogue clocks. Why use subpar way of reading time if digital is so much better?

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                        They are actually a helpful way to show passage of time visually, without abstract math knowledge. For example my son has downsydrome, he could read time from analog and understand passage of time and time left on it, but numbers counting up to 60 was abstract.. Like its 47 minutes past 5 how close to the hour is it getting? No clue unless he wrote it out as a math question and did the subtraction. But for him those were meaningless numbers anyway. 15 was no different than 45 for him. But visual cues of quarter past and quarter to made sense for him

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                          Its also cool to just be able to build a physical mechanism which digital clocks have no real feasible option to do

                          i am delighted to be able to introduce you to flip clocks.

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                          I love flip clocks

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                            Dated does not mean obsolete. But it's hard to deny a digital clock is superior in almost every way.

                            Unlike the other examples you're giving, I fail to see in what aspect an analog clock beats a digital one. Sure they have a certain charm, but functionally they're just behind their digital counterpart.

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                            For my son, that has downsydrome, analogs clocks made sense for him because he could see the time passing or time remaining to the hour, but digital requires abstract number concepts he struggled with. 15 or 45 didn't really mean anything to him sizewise, they are both 2 digit numbers. So he would struggle to grasp the time passing or time left... And making things worse we count 1-99 before the next unit but clocks are 1-59. How much time before 6 when it's 5:47? Becomes a math equation, but a glance on the clock is readily apparent.

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                              45 year old here...I'm pretty sure I've never bought an analog clock and I think it would be weird for a school—or any place, really—to have one. I'm not surprised kids don't learn outdated technology and anybody who is mad about it should pick up a slide rule.

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                              a slide rule

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                                No time for learning, only tests

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                                  I feel like I'm going insane reading these comments about how difficult it is to read analog clocks, how it needs too much understanding of maths, how it takes too long,...

                                  Can someone please confirm: you just look, for a fraction of a second, at the clock face and know the time, right?

                                  Learning to read the clock was like... A couple of lessons and some homework in the 2nd grade, and everyone got it.

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                                  Understanding the concept is fast. Getting good at sight-reading a clock face actually takes time to get familiar with it. If you only ever really see the clock in school, and You can choose to ignore it for phones or other digital clocks, you're never gonna get good enough at it that you'll be as fast as checking a phone.

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                                    ...which by the way is just reading the number the freaking shadow points at...

                                    And how do you read an analog clock? By looking at the number the arm points at. Learning how to read the clock is not just "what number is it on" but it's getting familiar with the clock face so you can read it quickly. It's like the difference between spelling and reading.

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                                    You are right, nothing to argue against here. What I'm arguing against is just that digital clocks are somehow the successor of analog clock, which they are not. There is a reason why digital clocks are now everywhere and that's mainly cost. It's far cheaper to add a digital clock (sometimes just software because the hardware had a (segmented) display anyway). Nobody would add an analog clock to a microwave, because why would you. But because you need the display anyway to show the remaining time, why not show the actual time when there is nothing in it.

                                    The other thing I'm arguing against is the claim that digital clocks are easier to read. That's just wrong. Assuming you have roughly the same amount of exposure to both types of clocks. Children about 3-5 have no problem understanding analog clocks (just focus their attention to the hour hand at first) but I have yet to see three/four year old kids reading and understanding digital clocks. Digital clocks are more like actual reading and you need a pretty solid understanding of time already to interpret what you read. An analog clock on the other side doesn't assume you know how long an hour is, quite the contrary, it helps children develop a feeling for how long minutes and hours are.

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                                      For my son, that has downsydrome, analogs clocks made sense for him because he could see the time passing or time remaining to the hour, but digital requires abstract number concepts he struggled with. 15 or 45 didn't really mean anything to him sizewise, they are both 2 digit numbers. So he would struggle to grasp the time passing or time left... And making things worse we count 1-99 before the next unit but clocks are 1-59. How much time before 6 when it's 5:47? Becomes a math equation, but a glance on the clock is readily apparent.

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                                      Exactly. And that's also true for young children. Reading digital clocks is exactly that... reading. It doesn't mean you understand what it means or how to interpret it. Analog clocks however are a great tool at actually get a feeling for time.

                                      I think the biggest issue judging by the comment section is that most Americans (at least it seems that way) are almost never exposed to analog clocks.

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