Dear slim
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Okay but if it hits a full apartment building, 100% of that bomb goes to killing unaware civilians.
Which is the whole reason cluster munitions are bad.
Any weapon fired at a civilian is a war crime. It doesn't matter what kind of munition was used. The problem with cluster bombs is that the shooting party, cannot control the result. Signatories of IHL have a responsibility to minimize damage to civilian people and assets. The same reason autonomous weapons are a huge ethical problem.
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It literally is exactly that once it gets repeated ad nauseum. People post this exact copypasta with a pinky out like it's some kind of intellectual hard work. It's copypasta. This is a hill I'm willing to die on.
The hill is a hole, you're already dead
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That's not the point. You have to talk them down. Be a hostage negotiator. "You hold this view? Well what about this, this, this, and this? Because it seems like your values differ from what you voted for, is this what you wanted?"
Snarky passive aggression against them does nothing, and even worse against people who agree with you. Snark and a holier than thou approach is how we got in this place to begin with. Dumb the argument down if you have to, but have that (calm) argument. Being a taint gets you and any progressive motions nowhere. Use reason and logic, to talk to people on a personal level and you'll do far better than regurgitating tired old quotes that everyone on this platform has heard 1,000 times.
Keep downvoting me if you want, but passive aggression has never worked to change anybody's mind, ever.
You don't have a point, you're just butthurt about people quoting other people
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Any weapon fired at a civilian is a war crime. It doesn't matter what kind of munition was used. The problem with cluster bombs is that the shooting party, cannot control the result. Signatories of IHL have a responsibility to minimize damage to civilian people and assets. The same reason autonomous weapons are a huge ethical problem.
And im saying: is firing indiscriminately with no regard to hitting civilians, now or in 50 years, worse than trying to make sure 100% of a bomb kills as many civiliams and as much of their infrastructure as possible?
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Look, I'm just trying to say that this same thing has been posted thousands, yes, literally thousands of times. I've seen it hundreds of times, and it's just eye-rolling bullshit. It isn't new, it isn't an original thought, but it's constantly posted and it's constantly upvoted everytime someone posts it and at this point it's meaningless. It's tedious. It's a waste of bandwidth and time. It's like posting on every disaster that is the EPA shutdown and saying "I like to breathe" yeah, no shit, thanks for the input.
My point is that it doesn't matter the context of the original post. This same shit will be posted on every. Single. Post. With a large enough response. It's fucking tiresome and doesn't do anything here. We all know. This is the problem with Dems. People think a clever quip posted hundreds of thousands of times across platforms is some kind of protest, or furthers the cause. It isn't, and doesn't.
You have to work with these people to break them from their cult. Snarky quips don't help that, especially when you're talking to people who agree with you. The response I've gotten here only further leads to my belief that a civil war is coming, possibly congruent with ww3, and we're going to lose.
Talk to me, tell me WHY im wrong, not in offense that I'm tired of copypasta, tell me why I'm wrong in saying that copypasta doesn't work. Nobody has made that argument so far. What does posting their tired bullshit do? Convince me I'm wrong. Don't just downvote me, convince me that repeating copypasta is an effective tool. If you can't convince someone that is on your side, then you have no chance at converting MAGAts.
Look, I’m just trying to say that this same thing has been posted thousands, yes, literally thousands of times. I’ve seen it hundreds of times, and it’s just eye-rolling bullshit.
You're in a Lemmy Community called "Microblog memes", and you're complaining about things being reposted? You get that this entire Lemmy Community is built on reposts from elsewhere, yes? Its literally its purpose.
Talk to me, tell me WHY im wrong,
I did, and it looks like you ignored it. This whole thread has nothing to do with US politics, GOP, trump, the "Dems", or "converting MAGAts". The world is more than just US politics. Not everything has to be about them. Yet here you are trying to do exactly that. The only person talking about US politics or MAGAts is you.
Convince me I’m wrong. Don’t just downvote me, convince me that repeating copypasta is an effective tool. If you can’t convince someone that is on your side, then you have no chance at converting MAGAts.
Your whole argument here is a strawman. You're saying we're failing at converting MAGAts, but no one here is trying to convert MAGAts with this thread.
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And im saying: is firing indiscriminately with no regard to hitting civilians, now or in 50 years, worse than trying to make sure 100% of a bomb kills as many civiliams and as much of their infrastructure as possible?
Neither is worse, they both suck just as bad.
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Why not? Based on Iran’s history, I think it’s highly improbably they would use nukes offensively. They have every reason to want to develop a nuke. It’s likely that they even have the capacity to make one. Even then, they’ve refused to. All evidence points to the fact that they genuinely want peace. All of their responses to either American or Israeli attacks have been very limited. Even their allies all seem primarily interested in self defense.
While the government may not be to your liking, having nukes is not going to prevent organic resistance. In fact, having a real deterrent against foreign military intervention ensures that the people of Iran can focus on fighting for their personal freedoms and not their very lives. In the past there have been real protest movements in favor of social reform. Now though? Iranians are demonstrating in defiance of Israel and in support of the Iranian state.
To be clear, I’m not exactly a fan of nuclear proliferation. However, in a world where the only country to ever use nukes as a weapon and their genocidal proxy are aiming to obliterate your country, having a nuclear deterrent makes everyone safer.
As you’ve said, they’ve had a track record of power competition and want their sphere of influence in the region, but repeatedly have shown refrain towards other nations during times of escalation.
Iran had (/has?) a chemical weapons program after the Iran-Iraq war, and guess what? There never was a VX nerve gas attack on Tel Aviv. I’m not remotely concerned with them using a nuke offensively, because they’ve exercised restraint repeatedly when they did have other weapons of mass destruction. And they’ve proven they have the capability to get past Israel and allied missile defense, so it’s not a capability gap either
All this hand wringing over “they cannot have a bomb under any circumstances” is unspoken MAD calculus - because then Israel would be on a level playing field as far as ultimate escalation and regime security, and that’d be intolerable for Bibi/the US’s/Gulf State plans for the region.
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Neither is worse, they both suck just as bad.
Okay hut what if one of the civilians is a white jewish man, and the other is a persian muslim woman? Killing the jewish guy is worse, right?
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They absolutely should not. One sided enforcement is worse than no enforcement for perception of justice and stabilizing geopolitical norms.
Wtf? I said both sides should be investigated. Iran and Israel. I didnt say anything about one sided investigation.
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Well that's because I'm an actual person with actual intellectual thought and not an AI or a braindead liberal posting meme comments. It's interesting that the person above my comment, posted a meme comment, on a complaint about meme comments. Again proving my point. Don't regurgitate bullshit and interact with people on a real level and we have a chance at clawing this country back. Sorry to say but we need angry classic Republicans to join our side if we're to defeat maga. We need to bring them to our side to defeat fascism and it's fucking infuriating that people think snarky copypasta is the way to do it.
So many people consider themselves intellectually above the MAGAts by making fun of their posting trends, and then they celebrate copypasta? It's the same ignorant, weak and ineffectual shit that the Rs do with their 3 word sentences with all caps. It's less than nothing. Use new language.
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Wtf? I said both sides should be investigated. Iran and Israel. I didnt say anything about one sided investigation.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Zionists are and always have been above the law, and therefore protecting them with it before the century backlog of prosecutions and executions is finished-not started, finished- would just be bullshit.
The trials of iranian criminals would conclude quickly with evidence, and the courts would fuck off for whichever season and forget to come back before prosecuting any zionist terrorists, ot prosecute one zionist for each iranian, when there are thousands of zionist war criminals for every iranian.
There can be no justice while zionist terrorists roam free. Live an outlaw, die an outlaw.
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Lol as of Israel deserves the respect of other people following laws for it. Fuck Israel.
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Are 2000 pounder JDAM dropped on gazan civilian buildings more moral than a cluster bomb?
It depends on who sold it to them. If it was one president, centrists love it. If it's another president, they still love it but have to pretend they don't so they can blame people to their left.
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As true as this is, I will always down vote copypasta.
What's that? Copypasta goes here?
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Its been, what, 70 years since the last time the protocol larpers dropped a nuke in anger, with thousands of warheads?
You think the Iranian government would wait that long if they had a handful of em?
Yeah, they're less rational. They're less trustworthy. And given how untrustworthy even the best governments are, that's saying something
Iran has been more rational and restrained than Israel and the US. I don't know what the fuck you're on about.
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MAD only works when your opponent is afraid of dying. When your motivation is the promise of an afterlife, like all the Abrahamic religions give, it's a more precarious situation.
So the US, Israel AND Iran should not have nukes. I know two of the three already do have them, but I'm not sure that the last one getting nukes will actually make things more stable. Especially when the first two are being run by geriatrics.
I mean, we aren't fucking with North Korea, Russia, or China are we? They've all been demonized about as much as Iran. Why not them?
(It's nukes, partly Israel being a death cult right now but mostly the nukes.)
