China is Systematically Dismantling Tibetan Monastic Traditions
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When the Dalai Lama dies, they go around asking kids questions only the Dalai Lama would know. The one that gets the most right is considered the reincarnation and made the next Dalai Lama
I repeat: kidnapping?
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I repeat: kidnapping?
It’s all I could come up with
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I'm all for shitting on tankies but I'm unsure what part of an all-male divine birthright theocracy they're supposed to support?
Say the last part to Gazans.
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China working to prevent indoctrination of children with superstitious religious practices that are harmful to the people practicing them.
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Funny how everybody is downvoting based on knee jerk reactions, while nobody acknowledge the harmful practices.
Always this special pleading for religious practices, that we would never accept in any other context.wrote on last edited by [email protected]True. It's Classic anti-Chinese propaganda brought by undereducated Westerners. They are, in fact, completely ignorant of the degenerate and backward practices of the Buddhists in this region.
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So colonialism/imperialism is okay? Either it is or it isn't. All I'm asking for is consistency.
It's 100% possible to find beliefs and practices of cults and cultures to be abhorrent. But also acknowledge that trying to forcefully change things. Almost invariably backfires. As well as undermining any moral stance you may have once had.
So theocracy is okay? So feudalism and serfdom is okay? So not having any political representation is okay? So rule by religious elites and nobility is okay? So brainwashing children is okay? So suggesting that every nation should be an ethnostate otherwise it's "oppression" is okay? So completely ignoring that Tibet is an autonomous region within China is okay? So ignoring that Tibet has a local government is okay? So acting like the Tibetans in the local government don't count because they're communists is okay? So implying that unelected "governments in exile" are automatically more legitimate is okay? So pretending that separatists are democratic and not a tool of Western imperialism (the real one) is okay? So making Charlie Kirk type arguments by distorting what imperialism and colonialism means and using definitions based on vibes and feels is okay? So lowkey wanting to expand western economic and political dominance in Asia and turn more regions into South Koreas is okay? So ignoring that the Dalai Lama himself recognizes Tibet as part of a multiethnic PRC (and Tibet itself is multiethnic) is okay? So crappy US propaganda is okay? So nitpicking and distorting PRC policies in edge cases while ignoring actual western imperialism and colonialism of currently real genocidal proportions is okay? All I'm asking for is consistency.
Want more? It's not hard. Yes I'm sure you think that forcefully ending slavery in the USA for example "backfired" (you said invariably so it's included) and that undermines any moral stance that abolitionists may once had because they weren't gentle with the slave owners and didn't "convince" them first. Sure buddy.
When is the USA going to grant full citizen rights to Guam, like the right to vote in presidential elections and representation in the Houses by the way? Guam independence when? Guam is far less incorporated into USA than Tibet is in PRC, with pretty much zero precedence of historical or cultural ties unlike Tibet.
So it's okay to be a hypocrite? Consistency.
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If China actually cared about the people. Rather than forcing the monastery closed and them to abandon their religion/culture. They would simply offer to relocate them away from the monastery if they feared for their children.
Without children and followers to harness. The religion would die on its own. Even as the general culture would endure. China explicitly does not want that. China specifically is trying to oppress and eradicate cultural differences.
People are 100% Justified to call China out on this. And in doing so are not defending all of tibet's actions. Two things can be wrong at the same time. All sides can be wrong at the same time. This is one of those cases. There is no defense of China or Tibet here. China is not doing this out of some goodness of their heart or humanitarian need. Simply their own selfish goals.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]So you are saying that instead of closing the monastery, they should relocate the towns!
Are you aware how much people are against being relocated?
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Superstition is also a large part of Steve Jobs history, it's what killed him.
So would he have been better off if he had not been superstitious?
Exercising religious superstition is not culture, it's stupidity that harm both society and the individual.Stupidity is a significant part of our history, that doesn't mean we should preserve stupidity.
People have a right to be stupid, though.
A lot of culture, is irrational and or superstitious. Tibetan culture has a lot of that, Chinese culture as well and American culture is also no exception.
You may find that disagreeable and not worth preserving, and I'm even inclined to agree with that on many occasions. But who is to decide which parts of ones own culture can be done away with, if not the people practicing that culture?
Can I decide which parts of your culture don't agree with MY values and take that away from you?
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People have a right to be stupid, though.
A lot of culture, is irrational and or superstitious. Tibetan culture has a lot of that, Chinese culture as well and American culture is also no exception.
You may find that disagreeable and not worth preserving, and I'm even inclined to agree with that on many occasions. But who is to decide which parts of ones own culture can be done away with, if not the people practicing that culture?
Can I decide which parts of your culture don't agree with MY values and take that away from you?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]People have a right to be stupid, though.
Yes but regarding culture people always talk about how we need to preserve culture, obviously we shouldn't actively work to preserve stupidity.
And religion is stupid superstition and doesn't deserve to be preserved, and where it is demonstrably harmful to others, it should definitely not be allowed.It's no different than Nazi propaganda and organisations being illegal in most countries.
Can I decide which parts of your culture don’t agree with MY values and take that away from you?
If parts of our culture is demonstrably harmful, it is in our own interests to remove those parts. Racism would be a good example. And we are working on it, but somehow people keep being racist.
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As it turns out, there is a cricket emoji.
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China working to prevent indoctrination of children with superstitious religious practices that are harmful to the people practicing them.
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Funny how everybody is downvoting based on knee jerk reactions, while nobody acknowledge the harmful practices.
Always this special pleading for religious practices, that we would never accept in any other context.Those superstitious barbarians just needed enlightenment... where have I heard that before?
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So you are saying that instead of closing the monastery, they should relocate the towns!
Are you aware how much people are against being relocated?
Also that's like punishing the victim instead of the villain.Not at all. The fact of the matter is many of the people in that region and culture View things differently than you and I do. If they gave people the option to relocate and escape the reach of this monastery. You honestly wouldn't see many people take it. Which is more or less the point. All this may sound horrific to you and i. As does tribal body mutilation etc. But to those tribes and cultures it is part of their culture.
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So theocracy is okay? So feudalism and serfdom is okay? So not having any political representation is okay? So rule by religious elites and nobility is okay? So brainwashing children is okay? So suggesting that every nation should be an ethnostate otherwise it's "oppression" is okay? So completely ignoring that Tibet is an autonomous region within China is okay? So ignoring that Tibet has a local government is okay? So acting like the Tibetans in the local government don't count because they're communists is okay? So implying that unelected "governments in exile" are automatically more legitimate is okay? So pretending that separatists are democratic and not a tool of Western imperialism (the real one) is okay? So making Charlie Kirk type arguments by distorting what imperialism and colonialism means and using definitions based on vibes and feels is okay? So lowkey wanting to expand western economic and political dominance in Asia and turn more regions into South Koreas is okay? So ignoring that the Dalai Lama himself recognizes Tibet as part of a multiethnic PRC (and Tibet itself is multiethnic) is okay? So crappy US propaganda is okay? So nitpicking and distorting PRC policies in edge cases while ignoring actual western imperialism and colonialism of currently real genocidal proportions is okay? All I'm asking for is consistency.
Want more? It's not hard. Yes I'm sure you think that forcefully ending slavery in the USA for example "backfired" (you said invariably so it's included) and that undermines any moral stance that abolitionists may once had because they weren't gentle with the slave owners and didn't "convince" them first. Sure buddy.
When is the USA going to grant full citizen rights to Guam, like the right to vote in presidential elections and representation in the Houses by the way? Guam independence when? Guam is far less incorporated into USA than Tibet is in PRC, with pretty much zero precedence of historical or cultural ties unlike Tibet.
So it's okay to be a hypocrite? Consistency.
Nice strawman you got there. This has nothing to do with what I believe or don't believe Beyond I believe people should have a right to self-determination. I realize that childish leninists are so cock sure and think they know better. Wanting to force their own backward beliefs on everyone else. As much as these Tibetan Monks do. Two wrongs don't make a right.
And I mean as someone coming from a leninist instance it's extremely hilarious that you act as if not having political representation is a bad thing. Political representation actual political representation is denied to wide swaths of people under a Vanguard.
Regarding your laughable whataboutism. I absolutely believe that Guam should be given the right to vote for president if they desire and that the United States should recognize them. Hey quick question when is China going to give the Uyghurs the right to self-determination and to vote? Oh oh that's right, China gave up the right to vote for president completely.
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Nice strawman you got there. This has nothing to do with what I believe or don't believe Beyond I believe people should have a right to self-determination. I realize that childish leninists are so cock sure and think they know better. Wanting to force their own backward beliefs on everyone else. As much as these Tibetan Monks do. Two wrongs don't make a right.
And I mean as someone coming from a leninist instance it's extremely hilarious that you act as if not having political representation is a bad thing. Political representation actual political representation is denied to wide swaths of people under a Vanguard.
Regarding your laughable whataboutism. I absolutely believe that Guam should be given the right to vote for president if they desire and that the United States should recognize them. Hey quick question when is China going to give the Uyghurs the right to self-determination and to vote? Oh oh that's right, China gave up the right to vote for president completely.
So you were pushing anti-communist propaganda all along and had all these cocksure anti-PRC beliefs already but disguised them as care for feudal theocratic brainwashing of minors? So you can't really argue about literally anything I said like Tibet having a local government of Tibetan communists that you discount entirely because you're an anticommunist shill and not because you care about anything other than manufacturing anti-PRC consent? So you do this using articles from explicitly pro-western propaganda sites like the one above but would never consider checking the other side and yet you call others "cock sure"? So you're so clueless enough to mix up leninism with maoism even though neither invalidate Tibet having a Tibetan government anyway? So unless a nation is an ethnostate there's oppression happening? So only voting for bougie duopoly parties every four years is "democratic" but open access to constant voting and decision making through local governments available to all citizens who want to get involved isn't democratic because Murican crapitalism doesn't operate like that? So you have far far less political representation than anyone in PRC but you want to yap about representation lmao? So you want to bring up the Uyghurs while the source for that is still crappy CIA propaganda and it's actually about religious extremists that you otherwise lock up in Guantanamo when they turn against you? So you keep somehow siding with religious anti--freedom fanatics? So you're so concerned about a state making sure that religious authorities don't end up acting like a political Trojan horse while the West is constantly legislating censorship and repression and cracking down on demonstrations against real genocidal foreign policy and supporting genocidal colonial states? So you almost definitely have never done anything or even posted anything about the liberation of colonized Guam but yet you're yapping about PRC being "imperialist" as if the Tibetans themselves aren't part of their own administration? All I'm asking for is consistency!
I predict crickets like before. But let's go deeper.
So you're either clueless or a liar and don't know that Chinese officials are literally all elected but you imagine who knows what sort of magical appointment by the ghost of Mao probably? So you're almost definitely going to whine about lack of "legitimate" elections in the PRC because it's a single party system as if having two parties that also vet and preapprove their candidates is better outside your propaganda? So you don't know that all levels of government and the party itself are open and you don't need millions to run unlike Murica, making them more democratic institutions because what you really want are pro-calitalist wreckers being allowed to run to turn China into a colony again so you can get cheaper goods in the west? So you clearly don't care about nations (and not just ethnostates) having sovereignty because you want cheaper crap and global dominance for your side at the expense of everyone else? So westerners get to complain about supposedly other nations not having enough democracy while simultaneously complaining about their own parties stealing elections all the time lol?
I've got better ones.
So you complain about whataboutism when the Tibetan issue is literal whataboutism lmao?
Bestest one: So the only valid voices are religious extremists who support western propaganda ( and not the Chinese Han, Tibetans, Uyghurs etc who support their government because you know, they have healthcare, employment, religious freedom AND freedom FROM religion, womens' rights and constantly increasing quality of life unlike the west that consistently loses all these things?
All I'm asking for is consistency.
Oh I forgot. So you either haven't heard or pretend not to know about the oppressed fanatical jihadi Uyghurs active in Syria as Al Qaeda forces? So you're saying that the PRC should embrace Al Qaeda because you clearly support and care about its members? We can talk about the Uyghurs all you want lol, it's you who'll dodge the subject.
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So you were pushing anti-communist propaganda all along and had all these cocksure anti-PRC beliefs already but disguised them as care for feudal theocratic brainwashing of minors? So you can't really argue about literally anything I said like Tibet having a local government of Tibetan communists that you discount entirely because you're an anticommunist shill and not because you care about anything other than manufacturing anti-PRC consent? So you do this using articles from explicitly pro-western propaganda sites like the one above but would never consider checking the other side and yet you call others "cock sure"? So you're so clueless enough to mix up leninism with maoism even though neither invalidate Tibet having a Tibetan government anyway? So unless a nation is an ethnostate there's oppression happening? So only voting for bougie duopoly parties every four years is "democratic" but open access to constant voting and decision making through local governments available to all citizens who want to get involved isn't democratic because Murican crapitalism doesn't operate like that? So you have far far less political representation than anyone in PRC but you want to yap about representation lmao? So you want to bring up the Uyghurs while the source for that is still crappy CIA propaganda and it's actually about religious extremists that you otherwise lock up in Guantanamo when they turn against you? So you keep somehow siding with religious anti--freedom fanatics? So you're so concerned about a state making sure that religious authorities don't end up acting like a political Trojan horse while the West is constantly legislating censorship and repression and cracking down on demonstrations against real genocidal foreign policy and supporting genocidal colonial states? So you almost definitely have never done anything or even posted anything about the liberation of colonized Guam but yet you're yapping about PRC being "imperialist" as if the Tibetans themselves aren't part of their own administration? All I'm asking for is consistency!
I predict crickets like before. But let's go deeper.
So you're either clueless or a liar and don't know that Chinese officials are literally all elected but you imagine who knows what sort of magical appointment by the ghost of Mao probably? So you're almost definitely going to whine about lack of "legitimate" elections in the PRC because it's a single party system as if having two parties that also vet and preapprove their candidates is better outside your propaganda? So you don't know that all levels of government and the party itself are open and you don't need millions to run unlike Murica, making them more democratic institutions because what you really want are pro-calitalist wreckers being allowed to run to turn China into a colony again so you can get cheaper goods in the west? So you clearly don't care about nations (and not just ethnostates) having sovereignty because you want cheaper crap and global dominance for your side at the expense of everyone else? So westerners get to complain about supposedly other nations not having enough democracy while simultaneously complaining about their own parties stealing elections all the time lol?
I've got better ones.
So you complain about whataboutism when the Tibetan issue is literal whataboutism lmao?
Bestest one: So the only valid voices are religious extremists who support western propaganda ( and not the Chinese Han, Tibetans, Uyghurs etc who support their government because you know, they have healthcare, employment, religious freedom AND freedom FROM religion, womens' rights and constantly increasing quality of life unlike the west that consistently loses all these things?
All I'm asking for is consistency.
Oh I forgot. So you either haven't heard or pretend not to know about the oppressed fanatical jihadi Uyghurs active in Syria as Al Qaeda forces? So you're saying that the PRC should embrace Al Qaeda because you clearly support and care about its members? We can talk about the Uyghurs all you want lol, it's you who'll dodge the subject.
I qualify as a communist, why would I be pushing anti-communist propaganda. I'm simply pointing out your hypocrisy and the hypocrisy of leninism. You're not a communist.
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Thank you for blessing us with one of your alt accounts. Tell us how this is all fake news and that in China, people sing all day and praise the beloved Pooh bear for his beauty and wisdom.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]The person you are replying to left a "cricket" emoji (it was actually generic bug because they weren't aware that a specific cricket emoji exists). They are clearly agreeing with your original point about how MLs are oddly quiet in circumstances like this. I get that it's super easy to become hypervigilant towards bad faith discourse in online discussions, but please take a step back and see that the only person trying to start an argument here is you
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The person you are replying to left a "cricket" emoji (it was actually generic bug because they weren't aware that a specific cricket emoji exists). They are clearly agreeing with your original point about how MLs are oddly quiet in circumstances like this. I get that it's super easy to become hypervigilant towards bad faith discourse in online discussions, but please take a step back and see that the only person trying to start an argument here is you
This was not their intended message. 🦗
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True. It's Classic anti-Chinese propaganda brought by undereducated Westerners. They are, in fact, completely ignorant of the degenerate and backward practices of the Buddhists in this region.
ML not sucking up to China challenge: impossible
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I qualify as a communist, why would I be pushing anti-communist propaganda. I'm simply pointing out your hypocrisy and the hypocrisy of leninism. You're not a communist.
Pro-religious propaganda communist, sure buddy. Crickets about everything else as usual.
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And nothing of value was lost
Why doesn't a thousand year old culture matter to you? They work on peace and understanding oneself, and have never varied from that goal.
What would make that non-valuable?
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Pro-religious propaganda communist, sure buddy. Crickets about everything else as usual.
Quote a single thing I said that was pro religious. You love to build strawmen. But have nothing of actual value to say. Typical leninist.
