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BUT WHAT ABOUT THE STATES GUYS, THE STATES
Fuck them, i have no love for them either.
Your selective attention betrays your actual position
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Your selective attention betrays your actual position
And what would that be? I think i was pretty clear. I want russia to stay within their borders, for all I care they can oppress each other until the end of days. Though I would, unsurprisingly, not shed a tear if the country collapses. Same goes for the states.
I also already gave you a reason why I don't believe it a worthwhile use of my time to engage with this literal whataboutism on a serious level.
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Just wanted to say, I like the posters from Vegan Theory Club, it's a cool place.
Thanks! We're trying to do something that isn't just open source reddit clone by making it about the things we are interested and our own content instead of just spamming vegan blog links and filling the instance with fluff articles like a glorified RSS feed. I'm glad you like the posts!
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And what would that be? I think i was pretty clear. I want russia to stay within their borders, for all I care they can oppress each other until the end of days. Though I would, unsurprisingly, not shed a tear if the country collapses. Same goes for the states.
I also already gave you a reason why I don't believe it a worthwhile use of my time to engage with this literal whataboutism on a serious level.
wrote last edited by [email protected]whataboutism is a crybully whine about being held to any kind of standard. It's a shield for you to act in bad faith and not be called on it. It lets you lie about Iraqis killing infants in respirators and act like a smug piece of shit denouncing people when they point out your side is bombing baby food factories. It proves that your words mean shit. You're nothing but a vulgar nationalist. Morals are for moral victories. And it's only ever time to talk about how evil the empire's enemies are.
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This is not what "so many of them support" and I know you source a highly upvoted post to prove otherwise because it doesn't exist.
Hexbear oppose Putin, they just also recognise Ukraine and NATO also behave very shittily, sometimes moreso.
I am not joking when I say that I have seen evidence of the Ukrainian government wanting to destroy the Russian Federation than I have seen evidence of the Kremlin wanting to destroy Ukraine.
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If they're deeply empathetic people, then why do so many of them support the Ukraine invasion and want them to roll over and give their country away to Putin?
They have empathy for people outside the usa empire. Its not something a western supremacist like you would understand. Did you, for example, know that the people outside the usa empire are real humans? Because when I was a liberal, I didn't.
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thus used deadly violence to suppress any dissent from its Eastern half.
The violence started when the Russian puppet president walked away from an EU trade deal that he literally campaigned on making, then cracked down on the resulting protests. Then an actual Russian created rebellion started. Calling that "suppressing dissent" is disingenuous as fuck.
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You can leave out the 'puppet' in your statement, but keep Russian.
Again, Ukraine is half-Russian, half-Polish. To say that a Ukrainian president is a puppet of either country is like saying that an Australian president is a British puppet, with the difference being that Australia is a settler colony while Ukraine is/was a border dispute solution. -
Yanukovich walked away from the deal because the EU made too many demands that would have resulted in millions of job losses. It was a bad trade deal and so he walked away from it hoping for renegotiations of a deal that would not completely ruin his country.
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"cracked down". What does that even mean? Who gets to decide a protest has been "cracked down"? Has anybody ever written about protests being "cracked down" during the Palestine liberation protests? Covid protests? Jan 6 2020 protests?
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The insurgency, let's just use the teminology used when it happens in an Anglo nation shall we?, consisted of terrorist attacks by snipers that shot Ukrainian police officers dead and civilian protesters, who wanted their country to go into financial ruin, dead.
People that have come forward saying they were the instigators of this violence were neither part of the Ukrainian law enforcement, nor part of the protest groups, but foreign mercenaries who got paid or part of ultra-right factions.
It's a more believable story than what the other side claims, where police officers who are trained to uphold stability mow down their own colleagues and civilians for stability's sake without refusal.
It's more believable as the first story doesn't have snipers shooting their own snipers dead just to create chaos. That wouldn't make any sense. People do not tend to kill people of their own group, not just because those are their friends they can rely on, but also puts them in an extremely vulnerable paranoid position of themselves being next. How would you know when to stop? How would you know you're not on the list? Would you be killed from orders of their higher ups? Collaegues out for revenge of their friends? -
And all of this doesn't change the fact that Ukraine was banning all things related Russia after the coup and mowing down indepedence voters at the ballot station in the Donbass region.
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I used to have an account. I was an old /r/chapo user before it got shut down.
A dipshit admin got mad when I referenced ridiculous drama that reflected badly on how the site was (and probably still is) being run, insisted to me that it didn't happen, banned before I could even post a link or screenshot demonstrating it happened, purged my entire comment and submission history (mostly news and longer pieces I found interesting, nothing even remotely rule breaking or controversial) then proceeded to monitor the creation of new accounts to ban any usernames similar to mine as soon as they appeared.
All of the exact behaviour that would have been endlessly made fun of for being so extremely online and extremely pathetic on the old subreddit.
That admin/mod who did that is now also banned and their posts also purged lmfao. Hexbear in a nutshell.
There was recently an incident where a dormant admin account came back, took one side in an argument, and banned everyone who disagreed. And banned everyone who called that out. And tried to hide the bans behind some stupid "they all asked to be banned" smokescreen. Wrecking with admin access.
Purge your dormant admins, instance owners. You'll never know whether someone comes back years later with a grudge.
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Don't forget their unprovoked, full scale bombardment of Yemen
Right. I would not call it unprovoked, but the full scale bombardment is all to support Israel's genocide of Palestinians.
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A lot of people have a purist attitude to politics. "Critical support" is a vital part in understanding these positions of Hexbear and others, that one can support a side of a conflict and still be critical of it. Geo-politics isn't a simple binary. No two groups will perfectly align, but that doesn't mean they can't see mutual lines of benefit despite their disagreement. For example, just because someone supports Ukraine doesn't mean they have to defend everything their government does, such as supporting the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion. It would be absurd to assert that! Similarly, it would be absurd to tell the communists still crying about 1989 that they support the entirety of the capitalist Russian Federation, the same RF that destroyed many of the gains the USSR made for both countries by enabling oligarchs to loot the place and plummet life expectancy.
They don't have purist politics, though. They support NATO and Genocide Joe. They have a xenophobic imperialist politics.
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If so, what are some misconceptions or seldom known facts?
Huh. First time I saw this post, I figured it was bait. I'm pretty sure I was subbed to a couple communities on hexbear. Occurred to me today when I encountered this post again that I'd not seen any hexbear content for a while. Turns out my instance has it blocked. Not sure if it's for technical reasons or moderation reasons. Does that go in the mod log or somewhere?
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Huh. First time I saw this post, I figured it was bait. I'm pretty sure I was subbed to a couple communities on hexbear. Occurred to me today when I encountered this post again that I'd not seen any hexbear content for a while. Turns out my instance has it blocked. Not sure if it's for technical reasons or moderation reasons. Does that go in the mod log or somewhere?
My instance also blocks both Lemmygrad and hexbear, even though Lemmygrad doesn't really do trolling
