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This is stupid.
In school they had us practice recorder in ghe 4th grade, ages 9/10. I took accounting in highschool, ages 16/17.
We did both. Not only did we do both, these two lessons were taught at very different stages of education.
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I wasn't given an instrument to learn to read music, also I was taught the Kodály method, which is quite bad for this purpose, also we were taught the doremi instead of the proper letter names of the notes for years, which is not absolute, thus I never learned how to read music that way. When I learned the guitar, I learned sheet music so well I can still read it, although not at a fast pace anymore.
I remember 4th grade was recorders, and in the fifth grade they began the elective of band, which I took because I could play the recorder. I chose to learn clarinet. Then in middle school practiced as a group with everyones instruments.
It was then, in fifth grade we began learning to read music properly. Today, I cannot remember truly how to read misic, but I remember many of the fundemtals from that time, and it's aided in learning bass guitar after highschool. And now, I can aide my son in his learning guitar.
But it all started with hot cross buns on the recorder.
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I’ve had co-workers refuse a pay rise because they thought they would lose money due to higher taxes.
Music as a lesson has never once been beneficial outside of a classroom.
One skill is useful for life, the other is useful for the 3 people who intend to go on to study music.
wrote last edited by [email protected]For you, maybe.
Playing music is still my number one coping skill for stress, and still my number one activity that raises my self esteem.
I have done nothing with my music knowledge except enjoy it for myself. I played this recorder here, then clarinet, then bass clarinet, and finally today I only play bass guitar.
Still love it, and am grateful to have discovered I enjoyed playing when I was ten years old from school band. My band teacher was awesome. She encouraged me at a time no other adult did.
Edit, in middle school we learned the theme song from Jurassic Park. It was the first time I got shivers when we'd play it together on stage. What an incredible feeling. And now, some 25 years later, that theme song still rotates in my brain music playlist. I still remember that feeling on stage the night we performed it on stage in concert. Absolutely incredible.
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For you, maybe.
Playing music is still my number one coping skill for stress, and still my number one activity that raises my self esteem.
I have done nothing with my music knowledge except enjoy it for myself. I played this recorder here, then clarinet, then bass clarinet, and finally today I only play bass guitar.
Still love it, and am grateful to have discovered I enjoyed playing when I was ten years old from school band. My band teacher was awesome. She encouraged me at a time no other adult did.
Edit, in middle school we learned the theme song from Jurassic Park. It was the first time I got shivers when we'd play it together on stage. What an incredible feeling. And now, some 25 years later, that theme song still rotates in my brain music playlist. I still remember that feeling on stage the night we performed it on stage in concert. Absolutely incredible.
School should not be for finding hobbies. It's bad enough children are denied agency, but to waste time on hobbies that aren't even relevant to them?
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School should not be for finding hobbies. It's bad enough children are denied agency, but to waste time on hobbies that aren't even relevant to them?
I literally just said it was relevant to me. Im not gonna argue with someone who sees music as a waste of time. Band was an elective. Accounting was also an elective (in high school). I took both.
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Maybe they tried. It's not like you remember how to play this thing perfectly either.
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I do wonder how many people got their first spark in making music through these recorder classes. I figured that'd be the main purpose, introduce kids to a form of art they might later develop a passion for, which would make it pretty much ineffective as I believe most people passionate about music didn't catch if from recorders.
But apparently, it's to teach kids how to read music which makes a lot more sense now that I think about it but still feels like something some English guy decided was part of a well-rounded education and nobody's bothered to question it since.
I'm not saying that reading music isn't important or anything just that it's use is probably much more limited to professional spaces since the advent of recording devices, music notation is still pretty kick-ass though and I see why someone would still want it as part of the curriculum.
Personally, I think it'd be really fun if music classes could use apps like GarageBand or something- that way you could use whichever instrument you prefer and also play around with things like pitch and stuff so it'd have this sense of exploration. But, even aside from cost concerns there's already issues with how digitized educations so I'm not sure taking away analog instruments is really the best idea
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I remember how in 6th grade my (i assume) well meaning teacher decided to have a theme week where we were to pair up, boy and girl and pretend to be a couple and figure out budgeting, finding rent prices for apartments and what kinds of jobs we could have.
That was the week I unlocked existential anxiety that never went away lol. Didn't help that every adult in my life told me to not worry about it and that it would take many years before budgeting like an adult would be relevant for me.
There also weren't any further classes about this type of stuff so I just walked around from age 12 and onward panicking about how I would fail at life because I was bad at math.
Weirdly enough I still remember that the boy I was paired up with insisted we should have a cat and that we should call it Møffe. I remember that our budget was very bad and full of holes and our teacher would come over from time to time. "What about the electric bill? What about the water and heating bill? Remember taxes." Every time she would remind us of something we had overlooked or missed, it felt like my nervous system was being electrocuted.
Pretty hardcore to just throw this type of assignment at 12 year olds with no warning and then never speak of it again.
As an adult I am terrified of spending money on anything that isn't food or bills. My boyfriend constantly has to remind me that we are financially safe because I feel like we could end up on the streets any moment. It's not all a result of that one workshop, but it planted the seeds for that anxiety to grow and blossom into what it is today.
I think a budgeting workshop would be a great idea for older kids who are approaching adulthood and are more ready for it. But holy shit, don't do that to actual children who can't even grasp the concept of taxes and rent money yet.
"How are you going to make enough money?" The teacher asked us cause my partner wanted to live well.
"I don't know?"
"You'll need a very good job"
"I'll be in poverty then?"
"Don't you know what you want to do in life?"
I'M BARELY A TEENAGER I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WANT FOR LUNCH EVEN
"No."
"Then live in poverty"
Like the fuck was wrong with our teachers, man!
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that's the name in English and it doesn't make sense at all
Faut arrêter avec le "c'est pas comme en français du coup c'est mal"
je n’ai pas dit que c’était mal… mais que ça n’a pas de sens (étymologiquement parlant). C’est un mot étonnant pour une flute, on s’imagine un enregistreur.
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To be fair though if someone can't count up to four then financial literacy probably isn't in their future.
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I’ve had co-workers refuse a pay rise because they thought they would lose money due to higher taxes.
Music as a lesson has never once been beneficial outside of a classroom.
One skill is useful for life, the other is useful for the 3 people who intend to go on to study music.
You must be some kind of troll. Music literally transforms the structure of your brain, strengthens neural connections, and makes you smarter in every way. If you knew anything about either music or mathematics, you would know the two are fundamentally linked. There are many problems with our society, but too much access to arts and culture definitely is not one of them. Do they even teach music in schools anymore? States have been cutting the curricula to the bone, and the arts have suffered the most.
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I mostly pretended to play and copied the finger movements of the kid next to me.
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"Financial literacy" is victim blaming. Our economic system doesn't need to be this complicated. You're forced to invest or else your savings are destroyed by inflation. But these investments all involve trusting various institutions, and you have no way of knowing which ones are safe. Oh and don't put it all in one place; you need to find multiple solutions. By the time you're old or disabled, it's your fault you're in this mess.
Our economy is essentially forcing the public at gunpoint to make a prediction about topics they know nothing about. It's a design not for the humans who exist, but for perfectly informed spheres.
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Just an observation from a mathematician: I’ve never heard this comment from someone who was competent in high school maths. Whenever I mention that I’m a mathematician and someone responds how they “never got on” with maths, usually the next thing to leave their mouth is some gripe about financial literacy.
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This is stupid.
In school they had us practice recorder in ghe 4th grade, ages 9/10. I took accounting in highschool, ages 16/17.
We did both. Not only did we do both, these two lessons were taught at very different stages of education.
Came here to say this, we also learned recorder in 4th grade. If you tried teaching 4th graders about trading securities derivatives you’d have a riot on your hands in less than 5 minutes lol.
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Why not both?
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Now they don't do either.
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What's wrong with teaching music in school? I never got on with it, but some of my classmates genuinely loved it. And now that we're adults they aren't professional musicians by any stretch of the imagination, but they still enjoy playing just for the fun of it or as a hobby.
Few people I know do financial literacy as a hobby, no judgement though if that's what helps you unwind after a day at the office.
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Came here to say this, we also learned recorder in 4th grade. If you tried teaching 4th graders about trading securities derivatives you’d have a riot on your hands in less than 5 minutes lol.
Exactly. I also had the thought, if you breakdown music composition, it's basically math. Music is math.
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I learned this in like the third grade. I don’t think a third grader can be taught financial literacy.
But the fact that I didn’t learn anything about loans or credit scores in high school is bad, yes.
