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Yeah let’s teach 4th graders that read at a 2nd grade level and struggle with multiplication economics, this seems rationale
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What's wrong with teaching music in school? I never got on with it, but some of my classmates genuinely loved it. And now that we're adults they aren't professional musicians by any stretch of the imagination, but they still enjoy playing just for the fun of it or as a hobby.
Few people I know do financial literacy as a hobby, no judgement though if that's what helps you unwind after a day at the office.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I’m pretty sure this is a song lyric from “the poor”, by Jesse Welles.
“I was memorizing capitols
I was in the spelling bee
I must've missed the part
Where they taught the art of private equity
I was selling chocolate bars
I had a disorder
I was cuttin' up a frog
Got lost in the fog
Learnin' how to play a recorder
“
I don’t think it’s supposed to be a slam against musical instruments.
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As many comments pointed out already, in the USA we usually learn to play the recorder in 3rd grade. It's not exactly an age where it makes any sense to try and learn how home mortgages work.
Though, I very much recall having some basic "personal finance" education in elementary school. It's the age where you are learning about currency denominations. How many quarters, dimes, etc. to make a dollar.
When I was in high school we were all required to take an "Economics" class where they did try to cover balancing a checkbook and basics like that. I just don't think most kids paid much attention. I know I didn't.
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Came here to say this, we also learned recorder in 4th grade. If you tried teaching 4th graders about trading securities derivatives you’d have a riot on your hands in less than 5 minutes lol.
trading securities derivatives
The fuck would you ever teach them that for?
They're 10 years old not idiots, they can learn through age appropriate skills such as budgeting and decision making - which can be made into a fun game as can almost anything you want to teach.
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Yeah let’s teach 4th graders that read at a 2nd grade level and struggle with multiplication economics, this seems rationale
Gee sounds like they're the sort of people desperately in need of these lessons.
But hey lets teach 4th graders that read at a 2nd grade level and struggle with multiplication how to blow into a piece of plastic that's going to end up in landfill in 12 months time.
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The recorder is not what was stopping them from teaching your finance.
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Exactly. I also had the thought, if you breakdown music composition, it's basically math. Music is math.
And numerous studies showing the growth in other subjects when music is (actually) taught in elementary. It is crossing the streams, so to speak.
It is also what makes us human, not robots.
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Yeah because my elementary school teacher was crushing the market
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And numerous studies showing the growth in other subjects when music is (actually) taught in elementary. It is crossing the streams, so to speak.
It is also what makes us human, not robots.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I once saw a study where they did a brain scan on someone while playing music. The results were fascinating. I'm bout to double check it's been so long, but I'm near certain it lights up all parts of the brain. Something amazing happens when we play music. It absolutely is a core human experience.
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As many comments pointed out already, in the USA we usually learn to play the recorder in 3rd grade. It's not exactly an age where it makes any sense to try and learn how home mortgages work.
Though, I very much recall having some basic "personal finance" education in elementary school. It's the age where you are learning about currency denominations. How many quarters, dimes, etc. to make a dollar.
When I was in high school we were all required to take an "Economics" class where they did try to cover balancing a checkbook and basics like that. I just don't think most kids paid much attention. I know I didn't.
Timmy, your teacher sent you to me because you opted not to disclose the liquidation of a foreign capital asset on your mock corporate tax filing, and instead paid the balance of sale out to yourself as a bonus and tried to hide this behind artificially depreciating the asset at an accelerated pace to make it appear as though there was no gain on sale. You're going to sit here until you can properly explain yourself, no capri sun or snack packs until I get answers!
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Exactly. I also had the thought, if you breakdown music composition, it's basically math. Music is math.
Techno is accounting
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The goal of schools is not to prepare you for capitalism. Luckily, they're one of the few institutions that are still concerned with human values beyond money.
You could argue it would be valuable, from a practical sense, to additionally offer classes on personal finance, sure, but it's abhorrent to use music lessons as a mocking point or suggest that somehow the school should teach finance instead of all other subject matters.
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je n’ai pas dit que c’était mal… mais que ça n’a pas de sens (étymologiquement parlant). C’est un mot étonnant pour une flute, on s’imagine un enregistreur.
J'ai toujours pensé la même chose. J'ai changé d'école française à anglaise en cinquième année pis tout à coup les flutes était des "recorders"? Même en anglais je les appellais des flutes jusqu'à là... Étrange
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The chords are easier; ukuleles are tuned like the 4 high strings of a guitar (yes I know that it's actually gCEA but it's functionally the same), and the chords are the same but without the last two strings.
However ukuleles are harder to play for adults because they are way too small. Anything higher than the 8th fret is basically unplayable.
Eh, I played both for a while (never became good, but that's not the point), and I always found Ukulele chords awkward and confusing even on the lower frets, while Guitar came more natural to me. I wouldn't be surprised if that was due to the lack of musical education and professional training though. Oh, and my Ukulele was tuned ADF#H...
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You can pick up a recorder for 20 dollars and they will withstand abuse. Not so a guitar. I agree that it's better musically and maybe pedagogically but it's got some deal breakers.
it's got some deal breakers
No doubt, and being used by a horde of kids is probably the toughest thing instruments have to ensure
I got my acoustic guitar for incredibly cheap 35,-€, so at least price can be overcome. And, reading the thread, it seems that the recorder has spoiled learning/playing an instrument for quite a few people, so one could argue that it's a failed investment, even at a low price point.
Can't say anything on the pedagogical side of things, I chose a job where I don't have to meet people all the time, let alone children.
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Plenty of kids are not ready to handle a guitar
How so? Age wise, motor skills, character, lacking musical education, ...? WDYM?
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If you’re wondering, Why recorders? — there are three reasons:
- They’re portable.
- Recorders in decent enough quality can be cheaply produced, so even low-income children get to play one. Compare that with a guitar where 30$ gets you a piece of wood that detunes as soon as you lay eyes on it. Not great for practicing.
- Recorders have an easily memorizable fingering scheme that allows you to quickly pick up the C Major scale. Compare this with a guitar where you need to remember for each string individually which frets have the notes of the scale.
Answers in Progress did a video on that subject: https://youtu.be/zyZY1dq5BFc
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How so? Age wise, motor skills, character, lacking musical education, ...? WDYM?
Discipline to treat it delicately
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Music is far and away the more worthy subject.
More note worthy even...
I'll see myself out.
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Eh, I played both for a while (never became good, but that's not the point), and I always found Ukulele chords awkward and confusing even on the lower frets, while Guitar came more natural to me. I wouldn't be surprised if that was due to the lack of musical education and professional training though. Oh, and my Ukulele was tuned ADF#H...
wrote last edited by [email protected]H
Found the German, lol.
ADF#B is a full tone higher but it doesn't change chord shapes.
I find the chords simple to grasp, but awkward to execute due to how small the neck is.
