Tutanota / Mailbox.org?

[iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee]

Thanks, these are the kind of valid points I'm looking for. I noticed the lack of 2fa when I was registering for the demo, they only asked for a backup email or a phone number...neither too privacy-friendly there. But I guess I can live with that.

[droplet6585@lemmy.ml]

Email is never "end to end encrypted" outside of layering something else on like PGP- which you could use with any email service.

[engineergaming@feddit.nl]

Wouldn't that be only between Tutanota users anyway? Sure, you could use PGP manually, but it is more annoying, I prefer the seamlessness of doing so in my client. Not to mention not having an option if you, say, don't like the UI!

[drkt@scribe.disroot.org]

Tuta does not have a text-only mode for it's interface.

[catsgomow@lemmy.world]

It is under certain circumstances. Specific to ProtonMail, it is E2E encrypted if you send a message to another ProtonMail user. They also have a feature where you can send an encrypted email to an outside address. I think in that case the recipient gets a link where they can then input the decryption password to read the message.

But you’re right about any email you receive (from a non-ProtonMail address). Those can not be E2E encrypted and are only stored encrypted at rest.

[noble_bacon@lemmy.ml]

Take a look into Posteo if having a custom domain is something you can live without.

[iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee]

Posteo
Wow...This one seems to be a very good one as well. How come it's not even mentioned in privacytools.io or privacyguides.org?

[pmk@lemmy.sdf.org]

You also get SMTP with posteo, if that is important to you.

[noble_bacon@lemmy.ml]

Not sure.

It's not as popular, but i use it with my own PGP keys & Thunderbird and it's great!

[jherazob@beehaw.org]

The GDPR ensures there's no mailing list you cannot unsubscribe from, if they won't let you it's not a good thing

[iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee]

With that you mean it's standard access IMAP/SMTP from any client you want, as opposed to Proton/Tutanota and their custom apps right? Yeah, I prefer a standard protocol and my own app.

[ohvenus_baby@lemmy.ml]

Posteo rocks.

[easily3667@lemmus.org]

Disroot is fine

[easily3667@lemmus.org]

Protonmail uses pgp under the hood. Their encryption was only ever within proton accounts because they had an automatic key lookup system. You can of course add your own keys, but most didn't. Still pgp.

[easily3667@lemmus.org]

That's true once it's received, but it's still processed by proton and now we know they are pro-nazi so who knows what they would do.

You can avoid this with pgp as stated (default for proton to proton messages), but I don't think it's worth considering the at rest encryption at proton anymore.

[easily3667@lemmus.org]

This is accurate

[ohvenus_baby@lemmy.ml]

Its simple as hell, out of the way. Its a no fuss email that seems to have all the features you'd want. It just works. Carbon neutral and all the good stuff we all like to boot.

[Guest]

So any concern about mailbox.Org severs being in Berlin and Germany being apart of the 14eyes alliance?

[Guest]

I'm just teaching myself - maybe good practice.

I have concerns about mailbox being under jurisdiction of 14eyes.

[pmk@lemmy.sdf.org]

Yes. You can get it with proton too, but you need your own domain for that iirc.