China to impose 34% retaliatory tariff on all goods imported from the U.S.
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If every country he puts tariffs on ends up implementing their own retaliatory tariffs, what would happen?
Imagine everything currently produced on earth loses about a third of its efficiency/affordability and a large chunk of everything has shortages/unavailability for the next 30 years.
Now imagine with the loss of trade relationships diplomacy slowly returns to that of the dark ages and a new era of war begins.
Things we take for advantage are peace and prosperity.
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Not a chance. China’s massive xenophobic approach to anyone non-Han Chinese will severely limit their potential.
Point out all the racism in various Western countries, and it pales in comparison to what goes on in China.
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Ah, so no change.
The change is that companies will use this to commence the massive layoffs once again citing hard financial times but still pay the execs the same big bucks
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Depends...
I would say: Blue Jurisdiction in the US > Tier 1 City in China (Beijing, Guangzhou, Shenzhen, Shanghai) > Red Jurisdiction in the US.
But then you also have to factor in the reach of the government. You can't criticize the Central Government of China, likewise, nowadays, you cannot criticize the Federal Government of the US. (Also, don't have tattoos, authoritarians hate it)
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Not a chance. China’s massive xenophobic approach to anyone non-Han Chinese will severely limit their potential.
Point out all the racism in various Western countries, and it pales in comparison to what goes on in China.
Point out all the racism in various Western countries, and it pales in comparison to what goes on in China.
Only applies to "Liberal" cities. A conservative town in the US could potentially be worse than a Tier 1 City in China.
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It's important to understand who the military exercises are aimed at. It's aimed at USA, every Taiwanese person knows this. Which is why we literally have people come out and take pictures of the weapons going off instead of hiding or fearing anything. It's fine, everyone seems to like firing off their weapons near our island at this point. It's not like USA, Australia, Japan, Russia, North Korea, Vietnam, Philippines, England, France, India I could go on, but they're all firing weapons. This is actually why China keeps increasing the size of the exercises. They're trying to show no matter how many people are there, they'll have the force to handle it (they don't, that's what 2027 is about). Actually MORE IMPORTANTLY China doesn't have the soldiers to actually fight the war. If you ever wondered how China's military budget is so tiny compared to USA's and yet has so much equipment, it's because they don't actually train their soldiers. It's also how we know China is using the equipment for fear factor and not an actual invasion. They would need to massively expand their military size and training. China seems big with 2 million active soldiers, but almost all of those soldiers are trained for humanitarian aid. AND it's not even enough to take on USA alone if USA activates their reserves let alone their allies (which is probably going away now). Plus, it's almost all army grunts who are tasked with cleaning up city streets like they did in HK during the riots. They're desperately short on pilots. So China doesn't have a real fighting force, and the force they do have is incredibly corrupt, which is what all the firings of the heads of departments is about. China knows this, they also know the only thing they can really do is saber rattle, because all their soldiers are spoiled brats who couldn't go to a good school.
As to your second question I have no real answer. If you go all the way back to my original post this is what I was talking about. IF China is sole hegemony, China has a strong policy of never sending their soldiers to do anything anywhere ever, unless Taiwan declares independence. Note, the whole Philippines thing isn't against Chinese military but their coast guards. They're trained to use water cannons not weapons.
So what happens? Well this is the scary part, if USA actually retreats, there's nothing holding the nations together who are upset at their governments. We're going to see massive genocides across the world.
On the other hand, to your ideal, who is USA to tell other nations to obey in the first place? All I know is that if China wins completely, the world will be more chaotic, at least for a while.
Thanks for sharing your perspective. I'm not sure which media sources are credible on the situation so I haven't looked into it much.
It's hard to predict how the US will respond globally as this empire free falls. Usually empires lash out violently as they wane, and with military bases around the world and an incompetent fascist in charge, I fear the US will too. Those military bases could quickly become considered an occupation by the many home countries if relations sour.
Multi-polar organizations like BRICS and regional multi-national organizations give me hope that China would not be a dominant force like the US is and European empires were. But only time will tell.
I do believe internationalism will be critical for global solidarity and a multi-polar world. If global capitalism is truly coming to a violent end in the near future, I can only hope that a socialist mode of production and mutualism will gain prominence in it's place.
Whatever happens, I wish you and the Taiwanese people peace, whichever way they choose to go with, if the status quo becomes no longer an option
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If they keep that promise, that's mostly good news IMO. Interference doesn't always go so well.
I think Afghanistan is a good example, we were there for 20 years, trying to establish democracy. And now they are right back where they were 20 years ago.
We can't keep policing such countries indefinitely. This is a link of our (Denmark) losses, as a small country that helped the UN effort.
https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danske_tab_i_Afghanistan_siden_2002It's horrible how they treat their own population, but we can't control the entire Muslim world. And all Muslim dominated countries are horrible AFAIK. So I'm good with staying out, as long as they don't create trouble here. Problem is that they do, sometimes for stupid religious reasons.
To establish democracy? Are you joking?
That's State Department propaganda that's been completely debunked for a while. The aims of US foreign policy on Afghanistan were lucrative financial exploitation and destabilizing the region.
The U.S. occupation of Afghanistan was colonialism that prevented Afghan self-determination
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- China’s finance ministry on Friday said it will impose a 34% tariff on all goods imported from the U.S. starting on April 10.
- The ministry criticized Washington’s decision to impose 34% of additional reciprocal levies on China — bringing total U.S. tariffs against the country to 54% — as “inconsistent with international trade rules.”
- U.S. stock futures and European markets fell sharply on news of the reciprocal tariffs.
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Thanks for sharing your perspective. I'm not sure which media sources are credible on the situation so I haven't looked into it much.
It's hard to predict how the US will respond globally as this empire free falls. Usually empires lash out violently as they wane, and with military bases around the world and an incompetent fascist in charge, I fear the US will too. Those military bases could quickly become considered an occupation by the many home countries if relations sour.
Multi-polar organizations like BRICS and regional multi-national organizations give me hope that China would not be a dominant force like the US is and European empires were. But only time will tell.
I do believe internationalism will be critical for global solidarity and a multi-polar world. If global capitalism is truly coming to a violent end in the near future, I can only hope that a socialist mode of production and mutualism will gain prominence in it's place.
Whatever happens, I wish you and the Taiwanese people peace, whichever way they choose to go with, if the status quo becomes no longer an option
I mean China has stated over and over and responded over and over in a way that states China would not willingly become a dominant force. China's whole thing is they only care about their country and their people and what ever happens in the world it's not their business.
But here's some historical examples for what I'm talking about.
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Ukraine Russian war. Yes, China sells drone parts and machinery to Russia. That's constantly talked about as if this is absolute proof that China is supporting Russia's war against Ukraine. However, Ukraine is just as dependent on these parts and machinery as Russia is. So by that logic, China is supporting Ukraine in the war.
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Myanmar. Is currently in a massive civil war. Myanmar is completely under China's sphere of influence to the point where no external actor is willing to interfere. Yet China is willing to just let the people do whatever they feel is right. Even though it's literally causing a genocide in the nation.
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Sudan. Basically the same as Myanmar. Though an interesting side story to this is Sudan had Chinese tanks that South Sudan did not. Those tanks absolutely crushed the T-72 tanks that South Sudan has. Though that kind of went sideways because South Sudan simply avoided the tanks and attacked in other areas. But if anyone is wondering, yes China's military equipment far out paces Russia.
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Vietnam. After the Sino-Vietnam war, China controlled about 20% of Vietnam. They declared victory and then told the Vietnam government that they respect their sovereignty and just simply left. It was the last war that China ever committed itself to.
Ultimately, China's whole rise to power is one of completely unwillingness to get involved in anything. It's one of the reasons no one respects China as a super power. However, with USA doing what it's doing, it by default goes to China. I don't know what it means ultimately, but at least for the near future, China is going to allow insane genocide in so much of the world. Something that USA would have gone to war over. They won't be dominant, but are you sure that's what you want?
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Who's gonna benefit from all this extra taxes?
Public services will sky rocket in 2025!People with lots of money to buy low.
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Imagine everything currently produced on earth loses about a third of its efficiency/affordability and a large chunk of everything has shortages/unavailability for the next 30 years.
Now imagine with the loss of trade relationships diplomacy slowly returns to that of the dark ages and a new era of war begins.
Things we take for advantage are peace and prosperity.
Umm no the rest of the world can trade with each other just fine it's just trade involving the states that will be hindered.
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They tariffed US. US finally responds. Now China wants to tariff that, ok. All I can say, Walmart is screwed if they don’t switch back to US first.
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Umm no the rest of the world can trade with each other just fine it's just trade involving the states that will be hindered.
Yeah I misread the prompt as if everyone put up tariffs lol.
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I mean China has stated over and over and responded over and over in a way that states China would not willingly become a dominant force. China's whole thing is they only care about their country and their people and what ever happens in the world it's not their business.
But here's some historical examples for what I'm talking about.
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Ukraine Russian war. Yes, China sells drone parts and machinery to Russia. That's constantly talked about as if this is absolute proof that China is supporting Russia's war against Ukraine. However, Ukraine is just as dependent on these parts and machinery as Russia is. So by that logic, China is supporting Ukraine in the war.
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Myanmar. Is currently in a massive civil war. Myanmar is completely under China's sphere of influence to the point where no external actor is willing to interfere. Yet China is willing to just let the people do whatever they feel is right. Even though it's literally causing a genocide in the nation.
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Sudan. Basically the same as Myanmar. Though an interesting side story to this is Sudan had Chinese tanks that South Sudan did not. Those tanks absolutely crushed the T-72 tanks that South Sudan has. Though that kind of went sideways because South Sudan simply avoided the tanks and attacked in other areas. But if anyone is wondering, yes China's military equipment far out paces Russia.
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Vietnam. After the Sino-Vietnam war, China controlled about 20% of Vietnam. They declared victory and then told the Vietnam government that they respect their sovereignty and just simply left. It was the last war that China ever committed itself to.
Ultimately, China's whole rise to power is one of completely unwillingness to get involved in anything. It's one of the reasons no one respects China as a super power. However, with USA doing what it's doing, it by default goes to China. I don't know what it means ultimately, but at least for the near future, China is going to allow insane genocide in so much of the world. Something that USA would have gone to war over. They won't be dominant, but are you sure that's what you want?
Yeah, from my understanding China is only interested in it's own self growth. While the Belt and Road initiative has certainly been beneficial for the global south, especially when compared to Neo-colonialism via the IMF and World Bank, it's still ultimately for China's sake. They have no interest in promoting Chinese style Communism to other countries, at least currently. Whether that will change or not I don't know. Their current military aid towards the perpetuators of genocide in those conflicts is absolutely unacceptable.
What I want is an international organization where everyone has a vote and no one has a veto, where international law can actually be implemented instead of ignored. Where human rights violations documented by Amnesty International, HRW, Euro-Med Monitor, ect will be materially addressed by the global community regardless of who's committing the violations. To that end, I oppose all Imperialism, Colonialism, and Neo-colonialism.
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Well the weirdest thing to me is I am saying China becoming the world's super power will lead to genocide. Not caused by China itself, but by China's inactions. And my proof is historical from Sudan and Myanmar. Yet people are calling me a pro-China shill? It's odd at best.
The problem is you're not saying the magic words. Actually parsing an argument is out of fashion, so you gotta sprinkle your posts with stuff like "free Taiwan" or "fuck Putin" or whatever, so
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Look at Cuba. Now look at the US. Now look at Cuba again.
Okay, now image Cuba but without the public health care, housing, jobs programs, and mass transit.
In your exampke Cuba is the rest of the world, not a small backwater embargoed country.
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They could drop all tariffs tonight, but the inertia of new trade deals being made to circumvent the US is pretty strong. It will keep strengthening while the US rots on the vine because they’ve been geopolitically exiled for having revealed themselves to be governmentally retarded.
Especially in everything related to security, like army, navy, space. If we can't trust the USA when we need to use the weapons we bought, what's the use buying them in the first place.
This is really shooting thyself in the foot, you can't just walk back from that disaster.
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It will be used to bail out companies, who suffer to financially survive. The money will go to the higher managements though.
So government controlled companies.
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If every country he puts tariffs on ends up implementing their own retaliatory tariffs, what would happen?
The United States descends to the level of economic relevance as South Africa and the rest of the world continues as usual.
Trade tariffs can work if they are used as a scalpel, If they are applied very precisely and explicitly they kind of achieve the desired effect. Trump is just wielding them around like a mallet and is repeatedly hitting himself in the groin while everyone stands to save distance away and watches with mild amusement.
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If every country he puts tariffs on ends up implementing their own retaliatory tariffs, what would happen?
So a tariff is like punching the other guy but also punching yourself, only the US is doing that to a lot of people so all the other countries get hit a few times sure but the US is beating itself black and blue.
