Young US men are joining Russian churches promising 'absurd levels of manliness'
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Has there ever been a period in history where Russians haven't been oppressed by their government or the church?
1991-1993, 1906-1914
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I've heard that Russian Orthodox churches in the USA are not what they are in Russia, and are actually fine because of being removed from the hierarchy and kinda marginal, but, eh, manliness is anyway not what Christianity is generally about.
And "traditions" are no more ancient than in a Catholic church they can find or an Assyrian or an Armenian one.
Anyway, those stereotypes. Russians are very masculine to be a country whose economy mainly consists of selling oil and gas and other resources, some tech sector due to remnants of Soviet education and building nuclear stations. With prison population rivaling that of the USA. That's an "/s".
EDIT: And the article author knows about Oriental Orthodox and Eastern Orthodox being different things, but misses the clue and thinks they are variations of the same. Eastern Orthodox and Catholic are united by being, as it's sometimes called, Chalcedonean Christianity. Oriental Orthodox is all that split at that point, but not earlier.
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1991-1993, 1906-1914
While the dissolution of the Soviet union was great for the world, you would not have wanted to be a citizen of Russia living in Russia at that point. I have family members who still live there and did then and it was utter chaos and also created local power vacuums that got filled with local mafia style gangs or local police who also just acted like local mafia style gangs.
But yeah, as far as the federal government not shitting in Russians, that would be a proper window of time
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this is a nice way to look at it - but feminism isn't just a vague ideology, it's also a social movement that is designed for women and populated by women. men are at best allies in that space, and at worst viewed as the enemy, othered, and excluded.
i'll gladly id as a feminist ideologically but i'm not foolish enough to think i'd be welcomed with open arms at a feminist rally. tolerated? sure. but not part of the group.
I've been welcomed in feminist spaces. Don't try to take center stage or make it about you and you'll be fine in the vast majority of them.
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While the dissolution of the Soviet union was great for the world, you would not have wanted to be a citizen of Russia living in Russia at that point. I have family members who still live there and did then and it was utter chaos and also created local power vacuums that got filled with local mafia style gangs or local police who also just acted like local mafia style gangs.
But yeah, as far as the federal government not shitting in Russians, that would be a proper window of time
Well, now it's not utter chaos because one gang won.
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I've been welcomed in feminist spaces. Don't try to take center stage or make it about you and you'll be fine in the vast majority of them.
if you truly believe that, it says more about your own social awareness than it does about the feminist movement.
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Very interesting, but also very lazy reporting. They didn't ask Ukrainian-American Orthodox for example what they think. Ciril's "holy war" screetches are insane, when Ukraine is also an Orthodox country.
There are thousands upon thousands of Orthodox Christians in the US, yet the only non-Russian-aligned perspective in the whole article is this:
Elissa Bjeletich Davis, a former Protestant who now belongs to the Greek Orthodox Church in Austin, is a Sunday school teacher and has her own podcast. She says many converts belong to "the anti-woke crowd" and sometimes have strange ideas about their new faith - especially those in the Russian Church.
"They see it as a military, rigid, disciplinary, masculine, authoritarian religion," Elissa says. "It's kind of funny. It's almost as if the old American Puritans and their craziness is resurfacing."(RIP Elissa's inbox btw)
It's annoying to see the crazies monopolize the report. This is also American Orthodoxy:
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By the way, Ciril's deranged proclamations of "holy war" are ridiculous. Ukraine is also an Orthodox country.
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I didn't come here for MORE toxic masculinity and gender shaming. Sort your shit out.
Why does random lemmy user care what you came here for?
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You got all mad for people posting no real solution and when given the chance, offered no real solution
I literally gave the solution in the comment you replied to
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I literally gave the solution in the comment you replied to
I'm sure you think you did
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Oh yeah we got problems on the girl's side bit at least women aren't afraid soybeans is gonna take away their masculinity
The most dangerous beans.
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I literally gave the solution in the comment you replied to
But how can I deplatform the demagogues? It seems impossible. What you proposed sounds nearly as unattainable as the snarky "Suddenly make every parent in the US loving, compassionate, and effective at raising their children".
I'm not in charge of the demagogues platforms. The platforms have no need to respond to social protests since the demagogues make them money. The majority of moderate people will not ever care enough to stop using a platform that supports evil. Tons of people still use facebook even when they KNOW about all those scandals, because they feel like it's just not a big problem, and ultimately because they just like using facebook.
Your proposed solution just feels a lot like the how to draw an owl meme.
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this is a nice way to look at it - but feminism isn't just a vague ideology, it's also a social movement that is designed for women and populated by women. men are at best allies in that space, and at worst viewed as the enemy, othered, and excluded.
i'll gladly id as a feminist ideologically but i'm not foolish enough to think i'd be welcomed with open arms at a feminist rally. tolerated? sure. but not part of the group.
I don't think you're correct, and I've felt welcomed around feminists (though I've never been in explicit feminist spaces). Even if you are though, it doesn't detract from my point. The goals of feminism help men too. If followed to completion, it removes gender roles from being strictly necessary. It allows people to be what they want.
Feminism is part of a larger movement, hence intersectional feminism. Even that though is part of a larger movement of liberalizing society to accept all people for who they are. Yes, there are also some groups who use feminism to exclude other people (TERFs, for example), but usually if people agree women should be allowed in roles normally reserved for men then gender norms aren't real and are necessarily oppressive, for everyone.
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So, all these "manly" men need a fluffer to make them more "manly"?
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I don't think you're correct, and I've felt welcomed around feminists (though I've never been in explicit feminist spaces). Even if you are though, it doesn't detract from my point. The goals of feminism help men too. If followed to completion, it removes gender roles from being strictly necessary. It allows people to be what they want.
Feminism is part of a larger movement, hence intersectional feminism. Even that though is part of a larger movement of liberalizing society to accept all people for who they are. Yes, there are also some groups who use feminism to exclude other people (TERFs, for example), but usually if people agree women should be allowed in roles normally reserved for men then gender norms aren't real and are necessarily oppressive, for everyone.
nothing that you've said here contradicts my point and you're demonstrating a profound misunderstanding of intersectionalism.
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I, for one, would like to congratulate whoever conceived this psy-op to get conservatives to move from Texas to Russia. Inspired stuff.
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I don't know if I like soup. The only soup I ever had was cambells, and it was awful. But then everybody tells me that cambells is the bottom of the barrel scum of the soup world.
So maybe I just don't like cambells.
Hey, you're like me. I HATED soup for decades. Can soup BS was disgusting. Soup on the side of my burger, gross.
Then I went to a real soup place. Like all they did was soup. Like professional level soup that's $8 a cup or $12 a bowl.
My god - it was incredible. I now understand the Soup Nazi bit of why anybody would tolerate that behavior.
I went from clean shaven anti-souper to a god damn soup coke fiend.
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Says the man in the nun outfit
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Ivan bros?
