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What do you believe that most people of your political creed don't?

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  • breadcat@sh.itjust.worksB [email protected]

    those are just vague values

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    Found the millennial or Gen Z

    'my truth' doesn't exist: there is fact and not fact.

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    • J [email protected]

      Perhaps "not a person" isn't the right way to put it. More like "already passed away." I was being a bit provocative, sorry.

      Regarding stimuli -- fair enough, that is a good argument actually. But to me that indicates a "kink" in the graph of their moral worth; it ought to resemble a point where they start gaining moral worth, but not a point where they immediately have it.

      Of course, this is all very speculative, vibes-based and handwavey. I don't know how to define someone's moral worth -- which is precisely why I don't see why birth is special to one's moral worth.

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      Fair enough. I think you're right to question these things; people have very strong opinions with hard lines here, but I don't think there's always solid reasoning for why some things that may seem like an obvious hard line are considered one.

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      • P [email protected]

        Lessee... I suppose my hottest take is that no lives are sacred. I believe that human expansion into more 'wild' domains is a mistake and that national and state parks' availability should be limited (geographically - you may not venture into the Deep Parks). This probably borders on some vaguely eco-fascy beliefs, and I recognize human's inexorable curiousity and desire to explore, but you will never find me mourning a human victim of a wild animal.

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        Does that also apply to hypothetical martian settlements?
        If people ever technically managed to live on mars.

        There's definitely no higher life on mars (or we would have already found it), and it's also unlikely that there's any life at all - not even microbial life (due to an absence of liquid water on the surface).

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          We should try harder to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals, sometimes taxation is necessary and sometimes it's beneficial even if we don't factor in revenue, people will sometimes make decisions that are so bad that we have a moral obligation to intervene in order to protect them from the most disastrous outcomes

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          people will sometimes make decisions that are so bad that we have a moral obligation to intervene in order to protect them from the most disastrous outcomes

          in archaic times, due to the primordial habit of turning people into slaves if they couldn't repay their debts, people were legally forbidden from going into debt at all, except if they could prove that they were a reasonable person and it was economically likely that they could pay back the debt. that was in order to prevent them from the bad fates of slaves; which makes sense to me.

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          • K [email protected]

            Immigration is universally a roaring net positive in all of history ; economically, socially, everything. It's more than disinformation when they spew talking points. It's hate. And most people complicit are just fully ignorant. USA lost their empire due to lack of education. Every other first world nations have their success in lockstep with the level of education they give their kids. A heist of all wealth has been conducted and you are viewing the aftermath. Elon will find your coffers empty. The real treasure, turns out, was the people.

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            counterpoint:

            the labor market is a market, and as such regulated by the rule of Supply and demand. That implies: if the supply is increased, then the price is decreased. If the supply is decreased, then the price is increased.

            In the context of the labor market, that means:
            If there's fewer workers in the country (which comes naturally with a smaller population), then the price for labor (a.k.a. wages) goes higher. That increases the Quality Of Life for the people, and is therefore a socially good thing.

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            • J [email protected]

              Just wanted to prove that political diversity ain't dead. Remember, don't downvote for disagreements.

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              I am progressive as heck, but wow the Republicans fixed the DMV here by running it like a business. Not every part of government is amenable to that (which is where they go wrong) but some departments really can.

              Also I am pro choice very much so, but personally wouldn't have, and didn't have, any abortion, I don't like it, find it horrifying. Like, my personal choice was hell no. I understand that the consequences of prohibiting abortion are much, much more damaging than allowing them, and do also think the existing woman has more rights than the potential person so maybe that isn't a political difference.

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              • ragdoll_x@sh.itjust.worksR [email protected]

                I don't like racism against white people or sexism against men. Do I think they're less urgent or worrying than bigotry directed at other groups? Sure. There's less hate against men and whites compared to other demographic groups, and bigotry against them simply doesn't have the same social or political impact due to current systemic racism and sexism being directed at other groups. But bigotry is still bigotry, and I don't like bigotry against anyone.

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                I think it's important to differentiate systemic racism from bigotry. There are some people who have a definition of "racism" that actually means "systemic racism," and they make a more compelling case that "racism against white people" doesn't exist.

                I'm of the opinion that systemic racism against white people is pretty rare, but you can find it in niche communities, not as much society as a whole. I also think of systemic racism as being about inequity rather than inequality; but if you were to consider it as being about inequality instead of inequity, then you could make a case that e.g. affirmative action is systemic racism against white people.

                A lot of this is semantics, which is a distraction from real problem solving.

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                  I am progressive as heck, but wow the Republicans fixed the DMV here by running it like a business. Not every part of government is amenable to that (which is where they go wrong) but some departments really can.

                  Also I am pro choice very much so, but personally wouldn't have, and didn't have, any abortion, I don't like it, find it horrifying. Like, my personal choice was hell no. I understand that the consequences of prohibiting abortion are much, much more damaging than allowing them, and do also think the existing woman has more rights than the potential person so maybe that isn't a political difference.

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                  Transgender people in many states are probably not happy about the DMV. (I'm Canadian and cis so I may not understand this much.)

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                  • F [email protected]

                    I've been thinking of starting some sort of group to help with that goal-- would you be interested? I'm not sure what we could do, but I want to do something, you know? I figure the best impact I can have is to convince other people that I mostly agree with to adopt this approach, which is what I envision the group could help with.

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                    DM me. 🙂

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                    • J [email protected]

                      The overwhelming majority of leftists I know used to be centrists at some point in their lives. Also, I'm really astonished that you openly admit that you use the word "settler" specifically to be antagonizing. I kind of thought that was the bailey, not the motte.

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                      Given that you don't organize, how many leftists do you know? The people I know ran quite the gamut before winding up coherently left.

                      I don't know why you'd be astonished at the term being used dismissively. Generally it's when someone is being white supremacist, racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, xenophobic, etc. They may not even realize it at first because it's normalized for them, but when they respond negatively to correction well guess who's digging in their heels about being shitty. That's exactly who you don't want to cater to. They will eat up all of your time and fight you the whole time because they have not developed basic humility.

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                        Just wanted to prove that political diversity ain't dead. Remember, don't downvote for disagreements.

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                        I'm far left, but I believe that any citizen should be allowed to own any gun.

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                        • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG [email protected]

                          Does that also apply to hypothetical martian settlements?
                          If people ever technically managed to live on mars.

                          There's definitely no higher life on mars (or we would have already found it), and it's also unlikely that there's any life at all - not even microbial life (due to an absence of liquid water on the surface).

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                          Yes? I'm not so optimistic about humans becoming interplanetary, but if it were to happen, I'd make noise to try and limit any human settlement. I'd argue that if humans want so badly to be off this rock, they can make space arcologies designed around themselves rather than inserting themselves where they ought not be and fucking up wherever they land.

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                          • darkdemize@sh.itjust.worksD [email protected]

                            Trump and MAGA are regressive. They are hell-bent on taking this country back to the first half of the 20th century, in all the worst possible ways.

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                            Huh. Mid 20th century? But that’s when America transitioned to relatively high and progressive income taxes instead of relying on tariffs. It’s also when massive state spending on education lead to a large chunk of Americans being able to care about something other than themselves, a precursor to progressivism in America and the civil rights movement.

                            If anything, I think Americans appear to want to go back to the Gilded Age, known for its massive inequality, corruption, and excessive-wealth-flaunting.

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                              I'm far left, but I believe that any citizen should be allowed to own any gun.

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                              I know who told you leftists don't like guns, we like guns plenty. It's liberals who don't like guns. I left us know sometimes you got to throw a bomb into the carriage of a tzar. Well left his nose when you go on strike you should bring a gun with you, cuz the Liberals going to try to use the National Guard to murder you.

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                                That intellectual property, both copyright or patents, doesn't serve its theoretical purpose and just acts as a legal shield for the monopolies of big corporations, at least in our capitalistic system, and it limits the spread of information

                                In theory, a musician should be protected against abuse of their music. In practice, all musicians need to be on Spotify through one of the few main publishers to make any decent money, and their music will be used for unintended purposes (intended for their contract at least) like AI training

                                In theory, patents should allow a small company with an idea to sell its progressive product to many big corporations. In practice, one big corporation will either buy the small company or copy the product and have the money to legally support its case against all evidence, lobbying to change laws too. Not to mention that big corporations are the ones that can do enough research to have relevant patents, it's much harder for universities and SMEs, not to mention big corporations can lobby to reduce public funding to R&D programs in universities and for SMEs.

                                And, last but not least important, access to content, think of politically relevant movies or book, depends on your income. If you are from a poorer country, chances are you cannot enjoy as much information and content as one born in a richer country.

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                                And to add to that, scientific papers should be published in open-access journals, instead of Wileys et al.

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                                • R [email protected]

                                  I am progressive as heck, but wow the Republicans fixed the DMV here by running it like a business. Not every part of government is amenable to that (which is where they go wrong) but some departments really can.

                                  Also I am pro choice very much so, but personally wouldn't have, and didn't have, any abortion, I don't like it, find it horrifying. Like, my personal choice was hell no. I understand that the consequences of prohibiting abortion are much, much more damaging than allowing them, and do also think the existing woman has more rights than the potential person so maybe that isn't a political difference.

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                                  the Republicans fixed the DMV here by running it like a business

                                  Any details?

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                                  • kingthrillgore@lemmy.mlK [email protected]

                                    I don't like extreme leftists (they live in a bubble) but they've been right about everything and they are our best chance at resolving economic disparity

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                                    Doesn't sound like they live in a bubble, then.

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                                    • M [email protected]

                                      It seems like the atmosphere is changing now but I've been saying this for years.

                                      The language of privilege is backwards and counter productive.

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                                      what does that mean?

                                      language of privilege

                                      i've never heard that phrase

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                                      • J [email protected]

                                        Transgender people in many states are probably not happy about the DMV. (I'm Canadian and cis so I may not understand this much.)

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                                        That's not anything to do with the running of the DMV though, I mean now when you go the process is smooth and on time, when it used to be a mess. They made it so most of the stuff you used to have to go wait all day to do, can now be done by appointment at the tax collector office, it's a huge and very organized process. The employees there don't make the rules, the bigotry is a different problem and comes from the state not the county.

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                                        • T [email protected]

                                          Sometimes people are that rabid they need to be removed from existence

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                                          can you name any example? and also, who's the judge? can somebody else decide you're too rabid for their opinion?

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