Sam Altman said startups with only $10 million were 'totally hopeless' competing with OpenAI, DeepSeek's disruption says otherwise
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I kind of suspect this is as much about A.I. progress hitting a wall as anything else. It doesn’t seem like any of the LLMs are improving much between versions anymore. The U.S. companies were just throwing more compute (and money/electricity) at the problem and seeing small gains but it’ll be awhile before the next breakthrough.
Kind of like self-driving cars during their hype cycle. They felt tantalizingly close 10 years ago or so but then progress stalled and it’s been a slow grind ever since.
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The reason for the correction is that the “smart money” that breathlessly invested billions on the assumption that CUDAis absolutely required for a good AI model is suddenly looking very incorrect.
I had been predicting that AMD would make inroads with their OpenCL but this news is even better. Reportedly, DeepSeek doesn’t even necessarily require the use of either OpenCL or CUDA.
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Not only would it be the greatest irony, it would be the best outcome for humanity. Fuck ClosedAI
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There is no downside to lying these days. Yet the public seems surprised that all they see is lying.
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I think I saw a post about exactly this.
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So many people don't even question it. Talk loud and confidently enough and that's the bar for most unfortunately.
TikTok, Instagram and similar are great examples of this, initially you think wow cool I'm seeing all of these new things and getting so much info. Then you see someone come up on a topic you know something about and the facade breaks when all they do is spew misinformation that attracts a crowd (usually via fear).
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And then the hordes of sycophant DinkDonkers repeat their detritus over every comment thread they can
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How about that: venture capitalists don't know what's going on in the market any more than anyone else does. They're just arrogant because they have metric shit-tons of money.
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...if you get a solution at all.
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He sure as shit wasn't a brilliant writer. He was more endowed with the cunning of a proto-Trump huckster-weasel.
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It drastically reduced the minimum buy-in needed to play.
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There's no way I believe that Deepseek was made for the $5m figure I've seen floating around.
But that doesn't matter. If it cost $15m, $50m, $500m, or even more than that, it's probably worth it to take a dump in Sam Altman's morning coffee.
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I hope that normal people will now realize how full of sh*t he is. They won't, but DON'T TAKE THIS FROM ME
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I don't mind
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I wonder what the mildest thing a true AI could tell the oligarchs to do that would make them shut it down. Giving 10% of their wealth away and not in a tax dodge way? Stop funding fascists?
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He's not wrong. He was speaking in the implied scope of capitalism. Where u can't do something that cheap because without the ability to hit a huge payout for investors noone will fund you.
We're just seeing that capitalism can't compete with an economy that can produce stuff without making investors rich.
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Red lobster went under and these guys still exist
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DeepSeek claimed the model training took 2,788 thousand H800 GPU hours, which, at a cost of $2/GPU hour, comes out to a mere $5.576 million.
That seems impossibly low.
DeepSeek is clear that these costs are only for the final training run, and exclude all other expenses
