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The US is now the enemy of the west

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  • H [email protected]

    Yes ofc.. Everything Trump has been saying and doing is insane.

    But we should also be carefull about simply parroting US media. It seems the USA media en politicians want to escalate this. Actually, the US media while apperantly trashing Trump, may be playing exactly in his hands.

    Or am I stretching it? I mean have you noticed how the (established) EU media and politicians have been more much nuanced in their reports?

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    It doesn't matter. USA has shown again, that they're an unreliable partner. You have good relations with President A and a few years later, everything is down the drain with President B. You can't build a solid relationship on that basis. You now have the worlds strongest military in the hands of a billionare and I don't mean Trump.

    Canada and EU should plan their future without US involved.

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      They let themselves go too much

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        The Last States of Democracy

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        Nice acronym

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          I mean, yeah? They are literally talking about invading former allies.

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          • doom@ttrpg.networkD [email protected]

            The "other side" is imperial too. That doesn't make sense.

            The entire thing is just imperial powers battling and using everything in-between as pawns.

            Do you think Russia, China and Saudi Arabia aren't doing the same thing to places?

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            No need for whataboutism when discussing the imperial tendencies and supremacy in the west.

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              https://archive.ph/pmNhr

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              Thank you!

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                I mean, yeah? They are literally talking about invading former allies.

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                Despite all the noise around this, I find it strange how little we seem to be taking this seriously, like they're the ramblings of a confused old man rather than threats made by the president of the United States...

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                  How do you explain this to the slaves in USA?

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                  The who?

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                  • obi@sopuli.xyzO [email protected]

                    Despite all the noise around this, I find it strange how little we seem to be taking this seriously, like they're the ramblings of a confused old man rather than threats made by the president of the United States...

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                    Same feeling 8 years ago, honestly.

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                      No need for whataboutism when discussing the imperial tendencies and supremacy in the west.

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                      not a whataboutism

                      imagine if we named the West, the guys with guns. The other guys have guns too so it's not a great name. That's not a whataboutism lol

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                      • match@pawb.socialM [email protected]

                        Japan's the third largest country in the world and they aligned themselves with the West in the Meiji restoration. they sought imperial conquest of their neighbors in the 1900s. what more do you want for them to be the West

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                        Not willingly. This is a core tenet of meoliberalism.

                        Japan has blurred porn because of the US. Any laws Japan has made that US citizens have to follow? Nope. How many Japanese military bases exist in America. 0.

                        They do not have an equal seat at the table.

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                        • cygnus@lemmy.caC [email protected]

                          They have has as much of a seat as warrants their size and economic power, perhaps even more because of their location as a buffer against China. Most EU countries have pull only because they are part of the EU. Compare Spain and Japan on the world stage, for example.

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                          I understand what you're saying but how many Japanese military bases exist on US soil?

                          It's not an equal seat

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                            I understand what you're saying but how many Japanese military bases exist on US soil?

                            It's not an equal seat

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                            I don't think that's a reasonable metric. Germany and the UK wouldn't be considered influential either, and yet they are.

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                              The Free World

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                              What is this, 2010?

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                                The free world maybe?

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                                Because if ya ain't white, you can't be free!

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                                  Despite all the noise around this, I find it strange how little we seem to be taking this seriously, like they're the ramblings of a confused old man rather than threats made by the president of the United States...

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                                  Canadian here, I feel the exact same way... like why is no one taking a firm stand against this guy!

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                                    The who?

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                                    Likely referring to the millions of people who are subjected to forced prison labor either without pay or for less than $1 an hour by for-profit prisons. This system has direct historical roots in the chattel slave economy, and even served as a direct drop-in replacement for chattel slaves on the very same plantations after the 13th amendment prohibited slavery except as punishment for a crime.

                                    To this day the profit motive creates a perverse incentive for the owners of for-profit prisons to fight against efforts to reduce recidivism, since recidivism is good for their business. Our prison system serves not to rehabilitate, or even to punish, but rather to exploit the waiver of prisoners' rights that is enshrined in our constitution for profit.

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                                      The Free World

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                                      Ahh yeah, because people in China aren’t free, they’re all slaves. Same with Russia. And all of the Middle East.

                                      Westerners just have for the lowest wages their companies will pay them because if they don’t they’ll become destitute. Certainly not coercive.

                                      Hey yo, isn’t there a little exception in our “abolishing of slavery”? I wonder why we have such a large percentage of prisoners here in America, compared to the rest of the world.

                                      Ever heard of prisoner leasing?

                                      Free world my ass.

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                                        Same feeling 8 years ago, honestly.

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                                        Yeah, it's not new. Eventually, this shit has to become so pressing and obvious people realise history isn't over, and history isn't over here, but the normalcy bias has proven strong beyond belief.

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                                        • 1984@lemmy.today1 [email protected]

                                          Kingdom of the billionaires.

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                                          They actually own a pretty small fraction of the total stuff.

                                          I mean, obviously it's grotesquely large proportionately, but they amount to <2000 individuals in a region of well over a billion.

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