Mandatory jail term for Nazi salute under new hate crime rules in Australia

[miaou@jlai.lu]

I heard they throw you in jail for stabbing someone, what's next, throwing you in jail for buying a knife? Stop this slippery slope! #allowstabbing #freestabbingabsolutist

[zarkanian@sh.itjust.works]

It depends upon whether Australian prisons are focused on rehabilitation or punishment.

[metalmachine@feddit.nl]

Where did I say that I do that or that I think it's okay? Or are you so blinded by rage that you have to go to this?

[woht24@lemmy.world]

Excellent, then I'm all for it.

[woht24@lemmy.world]

Cool dude

[woht24@lemmy.world]

Fair point, best explained response yet.

[zarkanian@sh.itjust.works]

So Elon Musk would've been in the clear.

[woht24@lemmy.world]

The part where it's raising your arm at an angle. You dislike it because of what it means and signifies, but imagine some group took 'flipping the bird' to align with their ideology and in 20 years your kid gets arrested for flipping someone off.

Obviously a silly example but you have to look past the context and think about what are we really doing here? Jailing people for a gesture?

That's fucking wild.

[ubergeek@lemmy.today]

Hey now! Australia is probably sick of everyone just sending criminals there!

[ubergeek@lemmy.today]

I don’t see how mandatory jail time helps with “They need to reeducate the people”

Jail doesn't work for Nazis. The world learned only one things solves the "fascism problem".

[ubergeek@lemmy.today]

The answer to the German question is that they spend a great deal of money on having an excellent education system,

I think it was more that they had their country completely flattened due to them being fascists, and didn't want it to happen again.

[chonkyowlbear@lemmy.world]

In WW2, the concentration camps and the Holocaust didn't break any German or international laws. This is the first case where the charge of crimes against humanity was used.

[ubergeek@lemmy.today]

Back to the Nazi, separate them from the rest of society.

Permanently. Like how we permanently separated Nazis from the rest of the world in the 1940s.

[blumpkinhead@lemmy.world]

They can still easily identify each other online, social groups, clubs, etc. I would think that's how most of these people get together anyway, and not from some rando on the street throwing up a nazi salute. Making the gesture illegal also doesn't solve why people are this way. It doesn't solve the problem. It just covers it up (imo).

[yarharsuperstar@lemmy.world]

Wow I never thought about this but would not be surprised at the development. If you vertically integrate the company that controls the satellites, the company that launches them into orbit, the govt that oversees it all, etc, you could just send whatever up there, especially with hundreds of launches and satellites.

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

I have no idea why you are so convinced that people are just as likely to join hate groups when they don't know that they exist, but okay...

[mutilationwave@lemmy.world]

Surely kidnapping and murder were illegal.

[minibyte@sh.itjust.works]

Just how bad they were at science

Operation Paperclip.

[occamsrazer@lemmy.world]

I didn't really answer because I'm not quite sure. I suppose i have a hard time imagining what category of actions or words should be punishable with jail time. Maybe hate speech? But then how do you define hate speech? And how do you limit the growing list of things defined as hate speech? Seems too easily politicized, like they could be repurposed as blasphemy laws or something. I guess i tend toward those not being punishable offenses because of their subjective nature. A nazi salute might cause me to roll my eyes, but cause you a ton of distress, regardless of the actual intent of the person doing it. Maybe they did it without knowing what it meant to you, or maybe they thought it was funny, or maybe they were trying to normalize and legitimize hatred of Jews. It could be any of those or something altogether different. There is far too much subjectivity or room for error.

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

Please quote what you think I said that suggests I am showing any rage.