Professor's got it right
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reductio ad absurdum.
I don't think so. If you do not retain the right to refuse service you must save Hitlers life. Given that the logic leads us to this ultimatum u must choose save Hitlers life ur retain the right to refuse service based on personal moral views.
think so
well then, you’re fucking wrong.
also “save life” different than “attempt”
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If that were true, the US would still have segregated lunch counters, grocery stores, and private buses. The Supreme Court may be getting us on the way there one day, but right now the only way that private businesses are allowed to discriminate against protected classes is to call the output work a "creative expression" like website design, floral arrangement, or cake decoration, and that's from the 303 Creative case.
Besides, how would it make sense if a company could bar you as a customer for being gay, but be compelled to employ you?
There is no federal law that bans discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity in public accommodations, like restaurants, theaters and other businesses. However, state and local laws where you live may ban this kind of discrimination.
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Wasn't there a bakery that won a case allowing them not to sell wedding cakes to gay couples?
Yes..The Colorado Commission ruled against him but the Supreme Court said he didn't have to let them eat cake.
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Its disgusting that Republicans have tried to push for this cruelty.
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I mean, that is sweat and all as something that particular professor thinks, but doctors in the United States don’t have to treat anyone they don’t want to, and we already see them denying prenatal care based on marital status. I’m sure sexual preference are just around the bend.
Citation needed. So far there has been one instance, in Tenessee, where a horrendous law was passed recently to allow that.
That law is a state law. As in, only in Tenessee. Not the whole country.
Things are absolutely shit, amd headed for worse, but let's not spread falsehoods please.
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Excellent. And they can take the pharmacists who have "personal or religious beliefs" and get rid of them too. No one should need to ask some other citizen's personal permission for a service I contracted with my own doctor and medical company.
There are even some drug store cashiers that will refuse to sell condoms. Americans need to learn that if it doesnt affect you personally, its not their place to pretend they are a stakeholder in anyone else's life. Stay in your effing lane, American healthcare workers. No one cares what you dont like or what your personal sky-fairy tells you. Last I heard "freedom of religion" was actually more "freedom from the tyranny of religion" when it was implemented by the nations founders.
While they are at it, Americans should stay out of other peoples bedrooms too. If they arent part of the situation, they don't get a vote. As long as its consensual between two adult humans, its no one elses business what they do in there. <eagle cry of freedom right here>
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What if I wanna be a chaotic-good doctor and deny nazis treatment?
Find a different career
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I act on all the homosexual urges I have. They just happen to be zero. If you have homosexual urges it’s likely because you’re gay. I’m not really sure why this concept is so hard especially for the ultra religious….
Or they're bi. I grew up ultra religious and the choice explanation made more sense to me because I had both homo and hetero urges, and I assumed it was the same for everyone (I thought of people who claimed otherwise as self-righteous). In my mind at the time homosexual urges were just part of people's sinful nature they had to overcome. The whole thing only seems so incoherent from an outside perspective, which I was fortunately able to arrive at after experiencing the world more.
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Someone being LGBT doesn’t mean McDonald’s is allowed to refuse them service, or ESSO is allowed to refuse to sell them gas, or a gym can refuse them membership.
Patience, patience ... the GOP is working on this as well.
Finally someone is doing something.
/s
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Doesn't this fall under the Hippocratic oath anyways? Or am I mistaken
not mistaken, but certain roles like pharmacists, cashiers, nurses, dentists and lab techs dont take that oath. Many doctors now take alternate oaths too, not the original oath.
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i dont know who or what to blame but some healthcare professionals are among the most cruel members of society
wrote last edited by [email protected]Because of their religious beliefs. Someday as a nation we need to reconcile religious freedom with freedom from other peoples religious ideas. We generally just give religious people whatever they want, presumably to shut them up and make them go away-- but that doesnt work.
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If u become a soldier do ur job leave ur personal crap at the door or get a new job. U just justified the actions of the Nazis "I'm just following orders".
A soldier's job includes disobeying illegal orders. That's the law. Try again.
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If u become a soldier do ur job leave ur personal crap at the door or get a new job. U just justified the actions of the Nazis "I'm just following orders".
To be fair, if you don't want to follow orders without question, you will find being a foot soldier particularly unpleasant.
But your moral equivalence between following orders to kill without question and saving lives and healing people without question is utterly bogus and broken.
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What if I wanna be a chaotic-good doctor and deny nazis treatment?
Thats seems to be a slippery slope. Unfortunately.
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Or move to Tennessee.
They want doctors who hurt the people they don't like.
Tennessee has some of the worst health care rankings and health care outcomes in the country.
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This was or maybe even still is a thing. My grandpa was forced to wear a sock on his left hand when learning to write as a child. He would be hit if he didn't.
Back then he would be hit either way I wish I could go back to being a kid and approach adults discipling me with my current knowledge.
I'd ask for beatings and pretend to get pleasure from them. I bet suddenly you get no more beatings.
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I still think Jennifer Love Hewitt was a great idea.
Woah...
Forgot about her
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If u become a soldier do ur job leave ur personal crap at the door or get a new job. U just justified the actions of the Nazis "I'm just following orders".
wrote last edited by [email protected]I mean they didn't. "Do your job or do something else" and "I'm just following orders" are worlds apart.
One is expressing the opinion that if a person freely chooses a profession but then refuses to practice it for asinine reasons they should choose a different profession because they are incapable of doing the job correctly.
The other is an excuse Nazi's used to justify the shit they did.
Not the same.
The real problem here is that allowing medical professionals to pick and choose like you describe based on their personal values will lead to people dying. That's the entire reason for the Hippocratic oath, to provide an unbiased framework of ethics under which physicians practice.
Hypothetically, say you're straight, have a one night stand with your preferred gender and get AIDS. You feel sick go to a doctor and they refuse to treat you because AIDS is the "gay" disease and since you have AIDS, you must be gay and this Doctor doesn't "agree with that lifestyle." So you ask for one who does, turns out you're in a Catholic hospital and no one "agrees with that lifestyle" here. Sorry, you're fucked and maybe have to drive a few hours for treatment now because of some judgmental assholes. Or you die from AIDS because you live in America, in a red state, where you have no other options.
That phrase btw? The one about lifestyles? That's a fucking dog whistle.
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The patients sexual orientation does in fact have no influence on their health. The only groups out of the LGBTQIA+ spectrum where you have some "right to deny" healthcare may be trans and intersex people due to them having special conditions and you might not have the knowledge to treat them accordingly. For the rest you are just batshit stupid if you care that much about what people do in their private time.
I partly disagree with your reasoning but I agree 100% with your conclusion..
I think that statistically heterosexual women have some significantly different healthcare needs than lesbian women and gay men and straight men also have some statistical differences, but as a healthcare professional you have no right whatsoever to refuse to treat based on those differences.
(I wouldn't count referral to a specialist as a refusal to treat.)
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Or they're bi. I grew up ultra religious and the choice explanation made more sense to me because I had both homo and hetero urges, and I assumed it was the same for everyone (I thought of people who claimed otherwise as self-righteous). In my mind at the time homosexual urges were just part of people's sinful nature they had to overcome. The whole thing only seems so incoherent from an outside perspective, which I was fortunately able to arrive at after experiencing the world more.
Yeah I bet that was confusing. Being brought up that homosexuality was a choice and you had feelings for both would have been difficult at best, especially before you had a chance to really see how it all worked.
