Proton's very biased article on Deepseek

[the_swagmaster@lemmy.zip]

True, hosting deepseek yourself is much better. I'd still wait and see if anyone finds weird stuff in the code itself but tbh idk how long that could take.

Can't wait for the models to get better and hopefully stay open source!

[unsavorymollusk@lemmy.world]

DeepSeek is open source, meaning you can modify code[...] on your own app to create an independent — and more secure — version. However, using DeepSeek in its current form — as it exists today, hosted in China — comes with serious risks for anyone concerned about their most sensitive, private information.

They are not wrong here.

After having read the article fully it doesn't seem to be that partial and acknowledge also the failing of others. It is not as stupid as the CEO stance on "Republicans helping the little guys" for sure.

[the_swagmaster@lemmy.zip]

Sure it might but the thing is it may still acknowledge that there are different opinions on some topics. Does reflect how whilst governments may have a narrative, people can say what they think. In China, that's a different story...

[the_swagmaster@lemmy.zip]

But his 'support' of the republicans was saying that 10 years ago they used to be against big tech and that he hoped Trump would vary that forward. Obviously Trump is very unlikely to do this but he is literally just hoping the republicans would do something about big tech that the dema didn't do

[the_swagmaster@lemmy.zip]

They didn't really praise them. They just hoped that the republicans would go back to being against big tech (like they used to be 10 years ago he claims). Obviously, Trump's not going to do that but I think we can all agree big tech is a big problem

[kingrandomguy@lemmy.world]

I have tried them, and to be honest I was not surprised. The hosted service was better at longer code snippets and in particular, I found that it was consistently better at producing valid chain of thought reasoning chains (I've found that a lot of simpler models, including the distills, tend to produce shallow reasoning chains, even when they get the answer to a question right).

I'm aware of how these models work; I work in this field and have been developing a benchmark for reasoning capabilities in LLMs. The distills are certainly still technically impressive and it's nice that they exist, but the gap between them and the hosted version is unfortunately nontrivial.

[sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works]

weird stuff in the code

What code? We use a different runner for the model so we can run multiple different AI models, so the only thing we're getting from DeepSeek is the model.

[douglasg14b@lemmy.world]

Except you can't run it.

Every model You are downloading and running is simply just a checkpoint of llama....

Quit spreading that misinformation

[douglasg14b@lemmy.world]

Lemmy users very biased link to article that isn't nearly as biased as they are purposefully biasing.

Maybe this community needs stricter posting guidelines to avoid this sort of drivel?

[the_swagmaster@lemmy.zip]

I just meant generally, not sure what 'open source' means in the context of ai (not a programmer)

[spacecowboy@lemmy.ca]

As someone living in the west I prefer propaganda that isn't trying to bring down the place where I live.

[philpo@feddit.org]

Proton has always been sketchy - and I caught flak for it countless times, especially here.
But: A company claiming they are "private' and "secure" because they operate under Swiss privacy laws is already sketchy from the beginning.
Why? Because Swiss privacy laws suck,are the worst in Europe and Switzerland is a country known for multiple cases of major intelligence agency overreach - especially towards foreigners and cross-border traffic.

Legally the Swiss intelligence services can order any "service provider" (that includes proton) to provide them access to traffic coming from foreign countries - this also includes the mandate to provide "technical means", which is often seen as backdoors. And to make things better the service providers are not allowed to talk about it.

This alone is a problem.
In Protons case what makes matters even worse is the fact that they are an US company de facto operating from the US and therefore are bound by the homeland security act and similar legislation.

So in the end both the Swiss and US services might read your data.

[lemmus@szmer.info]

Yeah, the same goes for global warming "if I burn these tires nothing happens, like its not any warmer here", and then everyone does that and everyone loses on that.

[fuzzydog@lemmy.world]

I'm not sure I get the analogy? Like what's the global warming here?

Let me give you a quick example. Let's say that an LLM has pretty compelling evidence you're committing crimes based on what you've told it. Literally the worst case scenario thing DeepSeek could do is give that data to domestic law enforcement, which is something OpenAI is already doing.

[fuzzydog@lemmy.world]

Personally, I think the West is doing fine job tearing itself apart right now

[vinstaal0@lemmy.world]

Just because you can (pretty easily) self host it doesn’t mean that the privacy concerns aren’t valid.

[febra@lemmy.world]

That's because your inbox is completely encrypted. As far as I know, no client provides support for that.

[deway@lemmy.world]

But that's also true for American companies.

As a European, I trust them as much as I trust Chinese ones.

[asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev]

Posteo supports PGP encryption with a PGP key you have when an email comes into your inbox, which then can be decrypted by your client. So it is doable.

[lemmus@szmer.info]

Oh so you are more like "If I kill a man and run away to Russia, that means Russia is the good guy here, because I won't take any consequences", I think this topic is pretty undefined here, like many people may have different opinion on that, wheter a company should cooperate with government. But the thing is Deepseek has to coop, they have no option, and Deepseek is on the enemy side for us - west, thats why giving them data is like giving them money, data is money, you want China to get bigger, or your country? If you localhost, yeah it is far more better than any ClosedAI, but people don't do that, therefore you should be against using deepseek app and website if you care about interesr of your country.