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  • everymuffinisnowencrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zoneE [email protected]

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    What are they gonna do? Download gibberish?! Lol, it's all end-to-end encrypted with the decryption keys stored locally.

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    #11

    Maybe they got a backdoor

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    • tuxenthusiast@sopuli.xyzT [email protected]

      Maybe they got a backdoor

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      #12

      .............If that is the case, I...am concerned. o_o

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      • everymuffinisnowencrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zoneE [email protected]

        .............If that is the case, I...am concerned. o_o

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        #13

        I mean Sweden asked for a backdoor recently, maybe they're jealous of the US lol

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        • davel@lemmy.mlD [email protected]

          ActivityPub DMs are not encrypted between servers

          It is insofar as TLS/SSL/HTTPS encryption is used in transit. That’s what I mean by encrypted in transit.

          i could read anyone’s DMs to users on other servers

          If you’re an administrator for (WordPress) ActivityPub server A, you can see all the DMs coming to and leaving from your server, yes. And they’re not encrypted at rest, so you can read them any time. But how would you see DMs going between server B and server C, when your server isn’t involved in the transaction?

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          It apparently scrapes everything on the public feed. So when I subscribed to users on Mastodon server A from Wordpress, DMs from Mastodon server A going to Mastodon server B became visible.

          I had a separate account on Mastodon server A to confirm that I couldn't see these DMs as Mastodon user on server A, and that the Wordpress scrape was grabbing messages normally not meant for public view.

          This was using the ActivityPub plugin for Wordpress about six months ago.

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          • everymuffinisnowencrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zoneE [email protected]

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            What are they gonna do? Download gibberish?! Lol, it's all end-to-end encrypted with the decryption keys stored locally.

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            #15

            Probably just whatever the public metadata is.

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            • everymuffinisnowencrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zoneE [email protected]

              Aww man seriously DuckDuckGo is on the list? Fuckin' traitors...

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              Duckduckgo is not the problem. They are using publicly scrapable information. So for instance if they have fingerprinted your device they see you go to duckduckgo, then they see you access a site about buying guns, it becomes trivial to determine what you searched for. They would not have direct access to what you search on duckduckgo and duckduckgo is not giving them access. They are using various methods to collect data based on habits. You can use literally any service you want and they could do the same thing.

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              • tuxenthusiast@sopuli.xyzT [email protected]

                I mean Sweden asked for a backdoor recently, maybe they're jealous of the US lol

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                #17

                Lol yeah I heard about that. Apparently they also preemptively made post-quantum encryption illegal? Yeah, I don't like the US, but I'm not sure I'd wanna live in Sweden, that's for sure.

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                • D [email protected]

                  Probably just whatever the public metadata is.

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                  #18

                  Oof, yeah I forgot about the metadata... What you say is certainly true and is worrisome.

                  Plus, most people who use email don't use encrypted email so even if they can't get a transcript of a conversation from my account, they can certainly get everything from the other account if they also scrape that platform.

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                    Duckduckgo is not the problem. They are using publicly scrapable information. So for instance if they have fingerprinted your device they see you go to duckduckgo, then they see you access a site about buying guns, it becomes trivial to determine what you searched for. They would not have direct access to what you search on duckduckgo and duckduckgo is not giving them access. They are using various methods to collect data based on habits. You can use literally any service you want and they could do the same thing.

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                    #19

                    Oh shit.

                    Well that clears things up. Thanks for the explanation. thumbs-up

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                    • arotrios@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                      Thanks for the list. Unfortunately, they list "Fediverse" which likely means they're scraping ActivityPub. They're also going after your Steam account, Twitch, YouTube, and porn.

                      In other words, this is so much worse than the headline makes it out to be.

                      Surprisingly, Reddit is NOT on the list.

                      Here's the full list of names:

                      4chan Archives

                      Discord Archives

                      21Buttons

                      500px

                      about.me

                      AllMyLinks

                      AllTrails

                      Amazon

                      Ameba

                      Amino

                      AnimePlanet

                      Apple Music

                      Artists&Clients

                      Asciinema

                      AudioJungle

                      AudiUSA

                      BabyCenter

                      Baidu

                      BeReal

                      Bigo Live

                      Bing

                      Biolink

                      BitChute

                      BlackPlanet

                      Blogger

                      Bluesky

                      Bodybuilding

                      BookCrossing

                      Breaches

                      BuyMeACoffee

                      Cash App

                      CastingCall Club

                      Chaturbate

                      Chess.com

                      Cigar Dojo

                      CityXGuide

                      CloutHub

                      Cocolog

                      Companies House

                      Cozy.tv

                      Cracked

                      Creema

                      Dailymotion

                      Danbooru

                      Dark Web

                      DeepL

                      DeviantArt

                      Disqus

                      DLive

                      Dot.cards

                      Douyin

                      Drum

                      DuckDuckGo

                      Duolingo

                      E621

                      eBay

                      Eporner

                      Etsy

                      Facebook

                      Fansly

                      FastPeopleSearch

                      Fediverse (likely ActivityPub - possibly DMs between servers)

                      FetLife

                      Fiverr

                      Flickr

                      FlightAware

                      Foursquare

                      FriendFinder

                      FurAffinity

                      Gab

                      Gaia Online

                      GameFAQs

                      Gelbooru

                      GeneralMotors

                      Geocaching

                      GeoEstimation

                      Gettr

                      Giphy

                      GitHub

                      Glassdoor

                      GoFundMe

                      Goo

                      Google

                      Goodreads

                      Gravatar

                      Guancha

                      GunBroker

                      Habbo

                      Hackaday

                      Hatena

                      Honda

                      Hubski

                      ILoveGrowingMarijuana

                      ImageShack

                      Imgur

                      IMVU

                      Indeed

                      Instagram

                      Instructables

                      JudyRecords

                      Jugem

                      JustForFans

                      Keybase

                      Kick

                      Kik

                      Last.fm

                      LibraryThing

                      Lichess

                      Likee

                      Line

                      LinkedIn

                      Linktree

                      LiveIn

                      LiveJournal

                      Lobsters

                      Mail.ru

                      Malgari

                      MapMyTracks

                      Marshmallow

                      MarTech

                      Massage Anywhere

                      Medium

                      MeetMe

                      Mercari Jp

                      MeWe

                      Minds

                      Minecraft

                      Mix

                      Mixlr

                      ModDB

                      Mughosts

                      MyFitnessPal

                      Myspace

                      MySubaru

                      Naijapals

                      Nextdoor

                      NissanUSA

                      Odysee

                      OFAC Sanctions List

                      OkCupid

                      OK.ru

                      OnlyFans

                      Pandia

                      Pandora

                      Passes

                      Pastebin

                      Patreon

                      PayPal

                      PCGamer

                      Peloton

                      PGP

                      Pinterest

                      Plurk

                      Poal

                      Popl

                      Pornhub

                      Poshmark

                      Product Hunt

                      ProtonMail

                      PSNProfiles

                      Reblogme

                      Reddit

                      RedGifs

                      Replit

                      ReverbNation

                      Roblox

                      Rule34.xxx

                      Rumble

                      Rutube

                      ScoutWiki

                      Seesaa

                      Seneporno

                      Signal

                      SkipTheGames

                      Skype

                      SlideShare

                      Snapchat

                      Sogou

                      SoundCloud

                      SourceForge

                      Spiceworks

                      Spotify

                      Sprashivai

                      Steam (fuck off you fucking fucks)

                      StellantisEU

                      StellantisUSA

                      Strava

                      Stripchat

                      Substack

                      TechNet

                      Telegram

                      Tellows

                      Tesseract OCR

                      Threads

                      TikTok

                      Tinder

                      TinEye

                      ToyotaUSA

                      Trakt

                      Triller

                      TripAdvisor

                      TrueCaller

                      TruthSocial

                      Tumblr

                      Twilio

                      Twitch

                      Twitter

                      Untappd

                      Venmo

                      VidLii

                      Vimeo

                      Vine

                      VirusTotal

                      VK

                      Volkswagen

                      VSCO

                      WatchMeMore

                      Weibo

                      WhatsApp

                      Wire

                      Wordfeud

                      Xbox

                      xHamster

                      XING

                      XVideos

                      Yahoo

                      Yandex

                      Yappy

                      YCombinator

                      Yelp

                      YouTube

                      Zhihu

                      Zillow

                      ZoneH

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                      #20

                      Reddit is there.

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                        Duckduckgo is not the problem. They are using publicly scrapable information. So for instance if they have fingerprinted your device they see you go to duckduckgo, then they see you access a site about buying guns, it becomes trivial to determine what you searched for. They would not have direct access to what you search on duckduckgo and duckduckgo is not giving them access. They are using various methods to collect data based on habits. You can use literally any service you want and they could do the same thing.

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                        #21

                        If that's true, why bother "monitoring" a search engine? This whole list screams of somebody who knows nothing about tech put out a vague RFP and a contractor pulled a list of "top sites" and used it to justify an egregious proposal cost.

                        DOGE, if you're looking for waste and fraud, perhaps here's a good source.

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                        • captainautism@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]

                          Reddit is there.

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                          Thank you sir - I've posted an edit with a credit to your astute eye.

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                            #23

                            What are they monitoring on Amazon, the fake reviews?

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                            • arotrios@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                              Thanks for the list. Unfortunately, they list "Fediverse" which likely means they're scraping ActivityPub. They're also going after your Steam account, Twitch, YouTube, and porn.

                              In other words, this is so much worse than the headline makes it out to be.

                              Surprisingly, Reddit is NOT on the list.

                              Here's the full list of names:

                              4chan Archives

                              Discord Archives

                              21Buttons

                              500px

                              about.me

                              AllMyLinks

                              AllTrails

                              Amazon

                              Ameba

                              Amino

                              AnimePlanet

                              Apple Music

                              Artists&Clients

                              Asciinema

                              AudioJungle

                              AudiUSA

                              BabyCenter

                              Baidu

                              BeReal

                              Bigo Live

                              Bing

                              Biolink

                              BitChute

                              BlackPlanet

                              Blogger

                              Bluesky

                              Bodybuilding

                              BookCrossing

                              Breaches

                              BuyMeACoffee

                              Cash App

                              CastingCall Club

                              Chaturbate

                              Chess.com

                              Cigar Dojo

                              CityXGuide

                              CloutHub

                              Cocolog

                              Companies House

                              Cozy.tv

                              Cracked

                              Creema

                              Dailymotion

                              Danbooru

                              Dark Web

                              DeepL

                              DeviantArt

                              Disqus

                              DLive

                              Dot.cards

                              Douyin

                              Drum

                              DuckDuckGo

                              Duolingo

                              E621

                              eBay

                              Eporner

                              Etsy

                              Facebook

                              Fansly

                              FastPeopleSearch

                              Fediverse (likely ActivityPub - possibly DMs between servers)

                              FetLife

                              Fiverr

                              Flickr

                              FlightAware

                              Foursquare

                              FriendFinder

                              FurAffinity

                              Gab

                              Gaia Online

                              GameFAQs

                              Gelbooru

                              GeneralMotors

                              Geocaching

                              GeoEstimation

                              Gettr

                              Giphy

                              GitHub

                              Glassdoor

                              GoFundMe

                              Goo

                              Google

                              Goodreads

                              Gravatar

                              Guancha

                              GunBroker

                              Habbo

                              Hackaday

                              Hatena

                              Honda

                              Hubski

                              ILoveGrowingMarijuana

                              ImageShack

                              Imgur

                              IMVU

                              Indeed

                              Instagram

                              Instructables

                              JudyRecords

                              Jugem

                              JustForFans

                              Keybase

                              Kick

                              Kik

                              Last.fm

                              LibraryThing

                              Lichess

                              Likee

                              Line

                              LinkedIn

                              Linktree

                              LiveIn

                              LiveJournal

                              Lobsters

                              Mail.ru

                              Malgari

                              MapMyTracks

                              Marshmallow

                              MarTech

                              Massage Anywhere

                              Medium

                              MeetMe

                              Mercari Jp

                              MeWe

                              Minds

                              Minecraft

                              Mix

                              Mixlr

                              ModDB

                              Mughosts

                              MyFitnessPal

                              Myspace

                              MySubaru

                              Naijapals

                              Nextdoor

                              NissanUSA

                              Odysee

                              OFAC Sanctions List

                              OkCupid

                              OK.ru

                              OnlyFans

                              Pandia

                              Pandora

                              Passes

                              Pastebin

                              Patreon

                              PayPal

                              PCGamer

                              Peloton

                              PGP

                              Pinterest

                              Plurk

                              Poal

                              Popl

                              Pornhub

                              Poshmark

                              Product Hunt

                              ProtonMail

                              PSNProfiles

                              Reblogme

                              Reddit

                              RedGifs

                              Replit

                              ReverbNation

                              Roblox

                              Rule34.xxx

                              Rumble

                              Rutube

                              ScoutWiki

                              Seesaa

                              Seneporno

                              Signal

                              SkipTheGames

                              Skype

                              SlideShare

                              Snapchat

                              Sogou

                              SoundCloud

                              SourceForge

                              Spiceworks

                              Spotify

                              Sprashivai

                              Steam (fuck off you fucking fucks)

                              StellantisEU

                              StellantisUSA

                              Strava

                              Stripchat

                              Substack

                              TechNet

                              Telegram

                              Tellows

                              Tesseract OCR

                              Threads

                              TikTok

                              Tinder

                              TinEye

                              ToyotaUSA

                              Trakt

                              Triller

                              TripAdvisor

                              TrueCaller

                              TruthSocial

                              Tumblr

                              Twilio

                              Twitch

                              Twitter

                              Untappd

                              Venmo

                              VidLii

                              Vimeo

                              Vine

                              VirusTotal

                              VK

                              Volkswagen

                              VSCO

                              WatchMeMore

                              Weibo

                              WhatsApp

                              Wire

                              Wordfeud

                              Xbox

                              xHamster

                              XING

                              XVideos

                              Yahoo

                              Yandex

                              Yappy

                              YCombinator

                              Yelp

                              YouTube

                              Zhihu

                              Zillow

                              ZoneH

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                              #24

                              Why tf is PGP, tesseract ocr, and deepl on this list. Deepl is literally just a machine translation service, users don't post onto it. tesseract ocr is a downloadable software for ocr. PGP is encryption.

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                                If that's true, why bother "monitoring" a search engine? This whole list screams of somebody who knows nothing about tech put out a vague RFP and a contractor pulled a list of "top sites" and used it to justify an egregious proposal cost.

                                DOGE, if you're looking for waste and fraud, perhaps here's a good source.

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                                #25

                                They do it all to build up a huge web of interconnected data points. Duckduckgo itself they might take as evidence that someone is trying to hide something. Then the government goes to a FISA court and gets permission to have other tech companies hand over all your data. Its not any one site its the picture that can be gleamed from all the data available across all the sites.

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                                  What are they monitoring on Amazon, the fake reviews?

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                                  Likely every product any amazon customer ever views. They could potentially even figure out which things you buy. But you can get a pretty clear picture of someone's personality and interests if you know everything they search for.

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                                    Likely every product any amazon customer ever views. They could potentially even figure out which things you buy. But you can get a pretty clear picture of someone's personality and interests if you know everything they search for.

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                                    #27

                                    How would they find that info from the outside, though? Or are you saying they are hooked into Amazon's internal data harvesting ecosystem?

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                                    • arotrios@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                                      Thanks for the list. Unfortunately, they list "Fediverse" which likely means they're scraping ActivityPub. They're also going after your Steam account, Twitch, YouTube, and porn.

                                      In other words, this is so much worse than the headline makes it out to be.

                                      Surprisingly, Reddit is NOT on the list.

                                      Here's the full list of names:

                                      4chan Archives

                                      Discord Archives

                                      21Buttons

                                      500px

                                      about.me

                                      AllMyLinks

                                      AllTrails

                                      Amazon

                                      Ameba

                                      Amino

                                      AnimePlanet

                                      Apple Music

                                      Artists&Clients

                                      Asciinema

                                      AudioJungle

                                      AudiUSA

                                      BabyCenter

                                      Baidu

                                      BeReal

                                      Bigo Live

                                      Bing

                                      Biolink

                                      BitChute

                                      BlackPlanet

                                      Blogger

                                      Bluesky

                                      Bodybuilding

                                      BookCrossing

                                      Breaches

                                      BuyMeACoffee

                                      Cash App

                                      CastingCall Club

                                      Chaturbate

                                      Chess.com

                                      Cigar Dojo

                                      CityXGuide

                                      CloutHub

                                      Cocolog

                                      Companies House

                                      Cozy.tv

                                      Cracked

                                      Creema

                                      Dailymotion

                                      Danbooru

                                      Dark Web

                                      DeepL

                                      DeviantArt

                                      Disqus

                                      DLive

                                      Dot.cards

                                      Douyin

                                      Drum

                                      DuckDuckGo

                                      Duolingo

                                      E621

                                      eBay

                                      Eporner

                                      Etsy

                                      Facebook

                                      Fansly

                                      FastPeopleSearch

                                      Fediverse (likely ActivityPub - possibly DMs between servers)

                                      FetLife

                                      Fiverr

                                      Flickr

                                      FlightAware

                                      Foursquare

                                      FriendFinder

                                      FurAffinity

                                      Gab

                                      Gaia Online

                                      GameFAQs

                                      Gelbooru

                                      GeneralMotors

                                      Geocaching

                                      GeoEstimation

                                      Gettr

                                      Giphy

                                      GitHub

                                      Glassdoor

                                      GoFundMe

                                      Goo

                                      Google

                                      Goodreads

                                      Gravatar

                                      Guancha

                                      GunBroker

                                      Habbo

                                      Hackaday

                                      Hatena

                                      Honda

                                      Hubski

                                      ILoveGrowingMarijuana

                                      ImageShack

                                      Imgur

                                      IMVU

                                      Indeed

                                      Instagram

                                      Instructables

                                      JudyRecords

                                      Jugem

                                      JustForFans

                                      Keybase

                                      Kick

                                      Kik

                                      Last.fm

                                      LibraryThing

                                      Lichess

                                      Likee

                                      Line

                                      LinkedIn

                                      Linktree

                                      LiveIn

                                      LiveJournal

                                      Lobsters

                                      Mail.ru

                                      Malgari

                                      MapMyTracks

                                      Marshmallow

                                      MarTech

                                      Massage Anywhere

                                      Medium

                                      MeetMe

                                      Mercari Jp

                                      MeWe

                                      Minds

                                      Minecraft

                                      Mix

                                      Mixlr

                                      ModDB

                                      Mughosts

                                      MyFitnessPal

                                      Myspace

                                      MySubaru

                                      Naijapals

                                      Nextdoor

                                      NissanUSA

                                      Odysee

                                      OFAC Sanctions List

                                      OkCupid

                                      OK.ru

                                      OnlyFans

                                      Pandia

                                      Pandora

                                      Passes

                                      Pastebin

                                      Patreon

                                      PayPal

                                      PCGamer

                                      Peloton

                                      PGP

                                      Pinterest

                                      Plurk

                                      Poal

                                      Popl

                                      Pornhub

                                      Poshmark

                                      Product Hunt

                                      ProtonMail

                                      PSNProfiles

                                      Reblogme

                                      Reddit

                                      RedGifs

                                      Replit

                                      ReverbNation

                                      Roblox

                                      Rule34.xxx

                                      Rumble

                                      Rutube

                                      ScoutWiki

                                      Seesaa

                                      Seneporno

                                      Signal

                                      SkipTheGames

                                      Skype

                                      SlideShare

                                      Snapchat

                                      Sogou

                                      SoundCloud

                                      SourceForge

                                      Spiceworks

                                      Spotify

                                      Sprashivai

                                      Steam (fuck off you fucking fucks)

                                      StellantisEU

                                      StellantisUSA

                                      Strava

                                      Stripchat

                                      Substack

                                      TechNet

                                      Telegram

                                      Tellows

                                      Tesseract OCR

                                      Threads

                                      TikTok

                                      Tinder

                                      TinEye

                                      ToyotaUSA

                                      Trakt

                                      Triller

                                      TripAdvisor

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                                      Vine? Didn’t that close down back in 2016?

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                                        How would they find that info from the outside, though? Or are you saying they are hooked into Amazon's internal data harvesting ecosystem?

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                                        Not really necessary people make DNS requests which are pretty easy to track if you know what URL was requested that will be the exact product. This can all be done by man in the middle and monitoring network traffic. But even that is sort of unnecessary. They could very possibly have contracts with ISPs or other network operators some of that is likely just secret and they dont disclose it.

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