Anon is rude at work
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I feel like if you are friendly with your co-workers it makes the days go by faster.
Tends to make the job easier, too. Lots of accumulated experience that goes neglected when people hide in their cubbies and don't interact with one another.
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Any company culture that expects you to be friends with your coworkers is a dumpster fire.
Any company culture that demands friendship, certainly. But there are more than a few firms that do a good job of cultivating it naturally. When work requires collaboration and people spend lots of time together, they often form bonds of friendship of their own accord.
I find that companies which cubicle off their staff, silo the work so its never more than one or two people working on a given project, deliberately run short-staffed (particularly when business is slow and there's ample time for socializing), have managers that give you heat for any kind of non-work activity, and visibly stack-rank staff so that everyone is on edge about layoffs can create an environment where people are poorly socialized.
But so much of this is about squeezing "efficiency" out of workers. If you're not friendly with the people you spend a solid third of your day with, you're not doing anyone any favors except the bosses. Alienating you from your co-workers is the end result of the long tail of union busting and precarious employment.
Strong disagree. You can absolutely be friendly with coworkers and enjoy working with them without crossing the boundary into your personal life, and this is usually the best for long-term happiness at work. This is especially beneficial whenever people change roles and move to management - it's exceptionally difficult to be a manager to a friend.
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>spend 8 hours a day, minimum, sitting next to some guy
>try to make small talk to break up the monotony of wage slavery
>guy doesn't even respond, or gives short answers at best
>damn, he must either not like me or isn't a very sociable person
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Where tf is this rude? Someone like this would fly under the radar 9/10 times and be considered a great employee unless thy aren't doing their job.
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Any company culture that expects you to be friends with your coworkers is a dumpster fire.
Any company culture that demands friendship, certainly. But there are more than a few firms that do a good job of cultivating it naturally. When work requires collaboration and people spend lots of time together, they often form bonds of friendship of their own accord.
I find that companies which cubicle off their staff, silo the work so its never more than one or two people working on a given project, deliberately run short-staffed (particularly when business is slow and there's ample time for socializing), have managers that give you heat for any kind of non-work activity, and visibly stack-rank staff so that everyone is on edge about layoffs can create an environment where people are poorly socialized.
But so much of this is about squeezing "efficiency" out of workers. If you're not friendly with the people you spend a solid third of your day with, you're not doing anyone any favors except the bosses. Alienating you from your co-workers is the end result of the long tail of union busting and precarious employment.
This is definitely extremely true and far more accurate than op which reads like they work at a grocery or fast food
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Where tf is this rude? Someone like this would fly under the radar 9/10 times and be considered a great employee unless thy aren't doing their job.
"Rude" to the social butterflies at the office.
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You could only get away so much with job hopping.
Really? Because that's not been my experience at all. You can even come back to the same company multiple times. Sometimes it's even easier since you "know the company already".
adjusting to new working culture and environment can be challenging and eventually drain you as a person.
I guess that's a personal thing. I don't experience that at all, but if you feel the need to personally reconnect to all your coworkers, I can see why it would be very draining. If you see your coworkers as coworkers, it's a lot easier.
wrote last edited by [email protected]In some industries, job hopping is completely fine because of their nature and circumstances. But in my one, it is tolerated for those who are just new in their career, especially the newly graduates. In my field, the longer you are in your career, the more they expect that you to stay in a given company. Each companies in my field have their own quirks, so they appreciate people who stay on for long because they don't have to train new starts on the nuances (some companies backstab their long time employees, but that is kind of expected in any industry). Some might even think weirdly if you are doing some practices you picked up from your previous company (like reading the SOP). So, adjusting to new work environment can be daunting because different companies (in my field) do things differently.
I am a pretty sociable person. I consider many of my previous and current colleagues as friends, but they are different kind of friend, which is work friend. I would hang out with them and go for drinks or talk about things outside of work; but I won't share with them too intimate details of my life, as I do to my long time friends I grew up with.
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Strong disagree. You can absolutely be friendly with coworkers and enjoy working with them without crossing the boundary into your personal life, and this is usually the best for long-term happiness at work. This is especially beneficial whenever people change roles and move to management - it's exceptionally difficult to be a manager to a friend.
I mean, that's called having "work friends". You hang out at work, maybe grab a beer together sometimes, help each other out professionally, but they typically don't enter into the rest of your life. This is extremely common.
Also, it really isn't hard to be a manager to your friends if both people have any level of emotional intelligence. A good manager's job is to support their subordinates, enable their growth, and shelter them from belligerent demands of uninformed clients or higher-ups.
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Friends are people I like, share hobbies and interests with and want to have around me in my life. I picked my friends myself and I'm proud and happy with them.
Coworkers are people I'm stuck in a room with 40 hours a week. Of course you should be polite and friendly, because you're stuck with them. They got foisted on me and dealing with is part of why I get paid.
There's a huge difference between "not a living hell" and "sharing my private life and feelings". If everyone is professional and polite, that's great, but I dislike quite a lot of the people I work with and wouldn't spend 10 minutes with them if I didn't get paid for it.
If you dislike so many people you work with and feel like you are "stuck in a room" at you job, why don't you get a different job, where you like your coworkers and enjoy what you do?
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If you dislike so many people you work with and feel like you are "stuck in a room" at you job, why don't you get a different job, where you like your coworkers and enjoy what you do?
I enjoy the work I do. I'm self employed and I got to hire all my coworkers myself. But "this person should be my close personal friend"is a very poor criterium for hiring someone.
Maybe I could have phrased it better. Most people at work I have a perfectly fine professional relationship with, but I wouldn't be friends with them. It's like neighbors, it's good to be nice with them, but in the Grand scheme of things, we're only spending time together because of physical proximity.
Maybe I have really high standards for friends, but if I didn't work with these people, we wouldn't find eachother remotely friend-material, so why does working together change that?
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>spend 8 hours a day, minimum, sitting next to some guy
>try to make small talk to break up the monotony of wage slavery
>guy doesn't even respond, or gives short answers at best
>damn, he must either not like me or isn't a very sociable person
Exactly. I've made friends with a few of my coworkers and at least one of us shave done fun things on the weekend. Making friends as an adult is hard, especially in a new city. I wanted my coworker to feel welcome.
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"Rude" to the social butterflies at the office.
I feel like they would just not notice anyone like that.
There's always some office drama going on where I work but I never have any idea what any of it's about. No one tries to engage me with it though.
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anon describes everyone at work besides that one guy in sales who tries to start "hawaiian shirt wednesday" and nobody does it
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"Belonging is one of the company's core principles! We're family here!"
I got a work email today that it was decided to have a team building lunch together next week. With instructions to take a personality test and bring the results (they included links).
Sigh.
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I've found few people I'd call friends at jobs. Most people who tried to be "friendly" with me were social climbing shitheads working an angle or emotionally-stunted people trying to recruit me into their petty shop floor dramas.
There are plenty of comments similar to yours and every time I see them I wonder, what industries do these people work in, and how much work experience do they actually have. If you're doing something highly competitive like certain kinds of sales or finance, it makes sense that there's going to be a lot of jerks around you. But in a lot of other jobs, like if you're working at the grocery store or something, it's not like anyone gets any advantage by trying to manipulate you. So I'm really wondering, what are these fields that are just completely full of totally worthless human beings?
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I am sick of this "you have to be sociable at work" bullshit. Leave me the fuck alone.
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There are plenty of comments similar to yours and every time I see them I wonder, what industries do these people work in, and how much work experience do they actually have. If you're doing something highly competitive like certain kinds of sales or finance, it makes sense that there's going to be a lot of jerks around you. But in a lot of other jobs, like if you're working at the grocery store or something, it's not like anyone gets any advantage by trying to manipulate you. So I'm really wondering, what are these fields that are just completely full of totally worthless human beings?
Have you ever worked retail or food? The amount of pettiness and back-biting is equitable to that found in a high-stakes corporate setting.
Professional kitchens are by far the worst jobs I've had in this regard. I've watched a middle aged line lead purposefully fuck up whole tables just to get revenge on the teenage waitress who turned down his advances. I saw a service lead get arrested in the parking lot because he was going to blast a coworker with his .45. Why? Because the asshole coworker tried to sabotage the lead's dinner service by refusing to help him during the rush because he was passed over for the position.
This is not including the loud and public break-ups between coworkers, the fist fights, the time a prep cook tried to work his shift while fucked up on enough oxy to kill a bull moose, or the time these two stoned idiots decided to thaw 80 lbs of chicken wings by putting them through the industrial dishwasher.
