Get. Off. The. Plane.
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Seeing the crowd of people squeeze off the Airplane like a tube of toothpaste only to all congregate around baggage claim is the same energy as passing aggressively on the street only for you to pull up next to them at the redlight.
This ignores:
- People with only a carry on.
- People with tight connecting flights they need to get to.
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The problem is underallocated overhead space. You give us maximum dimensions, and you know the number of seats. Fucking have sufficient overhead space.
wrote last edited by [email protected]The amount of space is the amount of space. You can't create more, because it's literally constrained by the roof of the plane. It's already maxed out.
The only thing they could do to make sure there was "enough space" is to have less tightly packrd seats and carry less people, which again they aren't going to do for the obvious reason - profit.
Or - reduce the max carry on baggage dimensions, which I'm sure people would equally complain about. And would make them look worse against other airlines which "allow" bigger bags, despite there not being enough space to put them!
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one car has to inch forward every 5 seconds even though they are already way past the line
In my limited experience these cars are driven by people so absorbed by their phones that they don’t realize they aren’t fully engaging the brakes.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I think automatic transmissions have conditioned people to sit too far from the pedals.
I just bought an old classic and haven't driven stick in a decade. After I got everything comfy and adjusted how I wanted I realized something: I couldn't get the clutch all the way down if I tried, I'm too far away. Same for the brakes.
Power brakes have made us feel as though all we need is the braking power of our toes, but what happens when your ABS pump goes out and you have to use actual force to apply the brakes at 65mph? Do you have the leverage to get those brakes as far down as they need to to stop safely?
If we were all still popping clutches at every red light I don't think this would be an issue. I think we'd have less distracted drivers too, needing to shift manually keeps a driver engaged with the car and road.
I Wasn't advocating to ban Automatic Transmissions when this comment started, I am now.
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My point still stands. Everyone is living their own lives and have their reasons for being in a hurry. Not everyone is a chill dude like you.
It stands, but it neither contradicts nor supports my line of thinking. I was aware of it already when I wondered about adults constantly being in a rush. You can restate it if you like but it doesn't change my curiosity at the nature of this common problem.
My comment is more about what the underlying cause of the pervasiveness of this issue. Were people always like this or is it one of these fun results of industrialisation? Is it a western culture thing? Is it a capitalism thing? Rhetorical questions in this case - I'm not seeking specific answers from anyone today. I am interested but it feels like we'll end up arguing and I could do without that.
I'd be curious how different cultures handle rush, timekeeping, social pressure related to commitments. Needing to rush constantly seems like a bit of either a systemic failure or a deliberate dark pattern.
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Me and my 300 clones spider-crawling over the seats to deplane.
SURRRRRGE!!!!!
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It's not complicated. You just said you're in no hurry. Unless you have a window seat, you couldn't possibly not be slowing others down.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Sorry, I didn't think I needed to outright state that I'm not obstructing others. I assumed, it would seem incorrectly, that that went without saying!
If you'd like you can assume I also block people at the baggage claim and take my time when I'm at the front of the passport control queue with people behind me. I don't, obviously, but if you're going to start off assuming shiftiness why stop at the basics! Take it the whole way! Presume I'm incapable of using a luggage trolley too! Why not!
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Sorry, I didn't think I needed to outright state that I'm not obstructing others. I assumed, it would seem incorrectly, that that went without saying!
If you'd like you can assume I also block people at the baggage claim and take my time when I'm at the front of the passport control queue with people behind me. I don't, obviously, but if you're going to start off assuming shiftiness why stop at the basics! Take it the whole way! Presume I'm incapable of using a luggage trolley too! Why not!
I mean, I was mostly kidding when I made the original comment, but less so when you seemed to double down. Either way, you don't sound like the problem people I am referring to. No harm meant.
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I mean, I was mostly kidding when I made the original comment, but less so when you seemed to double down. Either way, you don't sound like the problem people I am referring to. No harm meant.
That's fair enough, thanks for being chill about it! Opinions about this stuff are all over the shop in this thread so it's hard to be sure. When I learn I'm part of a given problem I try to mend my ways but on this I feel like it's a lot of other people that could do with learning a lesson.
Most of us don't need to be in such a rush - some people do though! Get out of their way!
I try to remind myself that I'm just not that important. An extra few minutes just don't matter much for me in the grand scheme of things. Those few minutes might make a difference to someone with a dying relative or similar - I'm happy to simmer down and wait my turn (or even more, giving up my turn so others can go before me). Hence why being called part of the problem is a bit upsetting - I'm trying to be the kind of person I'd want to meet!
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That's fair enough, thanks for being chill about it! Opinions about this stuff are all over the shop in this thread so it's hard to be sure. When I learn I'm part of a given problem I try to mend my ways but on this I feel like it's a lot of other people that could do with learning a lesson.
Most of us don't need to be in such a rush - some people do though! Get out of their way!
I try to remind myself that I'm just not that important. An extra few minutes just don't matter much for me in the grand scheme of things. Those few minutes might make a difference to someone with a dying relative or similar - I'm happy to simmer down and wait my turn (or even more, giving up my turn so others can go before me). Hence why being called part of the problem is a bit upsetting - I'm trying to be the kind of person I'd want to meet!
Makes sense. Hopefully I'll convey my humor better in the future.
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I think automatic transmissions have conditioned people to sit too far from the pedals.
I just bought an old classic and haven't driven stick in a decade. After I got everything comfy and adjusted how I wanted I realized something: I couldn't get the clutch all the way down if I tried, I'm too far away. Same for the brakes.
Power brakes have made us feel as though all we need is the braking power of our toes, but what happens when your ABS pump goes out and you have to use actual force to apply the brakes at 65mph? Do you have the leverage to get those brakes as far down as they need to to stop safely?
If we were all still popping clutches at every red light I don't think this would be an issue. I think we'd have less distracted drivers too, needing to shift manually keeps a driver engaged with the car and road.
I Wasn't advocating to ban Automatic Transmissions when this comment started, I am now.
Do you have the leverage to get those brakes as far down as they need to to stop safely?
Hi there friend, would you kindly get the heck out of my nightmares?
Responding to the rest of your comment: I love driving a manual transmission. My first three cars were manuals, and we have two automatics right now, but my next car in a year or so will probably be something fun and agile with a manual. Or EV of course, depending on what's available for the price at the time.
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I use that phrase all the time and I'm not a terrible driver. In fact, I rarely drive at all. I work from home and live in a walkable area. So yeah, literally if everyone drove like me, there would be less traffic.
Fair enough. Most people mean, "If everyone drove 85 in the 55, ignored safe following distances, and didn't waste time signaling and checking their blind spots, there would be no traffic." Those people are not correct.
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Did you ask the hotel? If you are nice they might wash it for free
Nah, I wasn't staying at a hotel. I had gone to Mexico with my childhood church for evangelism reasons, back when you could cross the border with just your birth certificate. We were staying in a building converted to a bunkhouse that was owned by the church. One room full of bunkbeds for the women, one room for the men, basic kitchenette, one bathroom for each gender, no laundry, couldn't leave without a chaperone.
It was the worst vacation I've ever had.
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Obligatory X... I mean CGP Grey
In totally unrelated matter, I now really despise ppl who put their personal item on the overhead bin and then take like 1 min to take them off even though it could fit under their seat
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No. It turns out driving and grabbing a bag while walking are actually very different activities.
It's the same attitude. People who disregard traffic laws to drive faster think everyone is causing the problem, without thinking about how their driving affects everyone else. The guy who gets up and grabs his bag first doesn't think about the 5 other people in the row who have to wait to get their bag, or that there are 50 rows of people that are all trying to do the same thing.
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I think automatic transmissions have conditioned people to sit too far from the pedals.
I just bought an old classic and haven't driven stick in a decade. After I got everything comfy and adjusted how I wanted I realized something: I couldn't get the clutch all the way down if I tried, I'm too far away. Same for the brakes.
Power brakes have made us feel as though all we need is the braking power of our toes, but what happens when your ABS pump goes out and you have to use actual force to apply the brakes at 65mph? Do you have the leverage to get those brakes as far down as they need to to stop safely?
If we were all still popping clutches at every red light I don't think this would be an issue. I think we'd have less distracted drivers too, needing to shift manually keeps a driver engaged with the car and road.
I Wasn't advocating to ban Automatic Transmissions when this comment started, I am now.
I feel this. Both in terms of driver engagement safety and in how much I loathe traditional automatic transmissions. Still stuck owning one in one of the two vehicles I have at the moment but only because it was all I could afford for the second of two vehicles large enough to fit all my kids.
I have had several manual transmission vehicles and the other current one is a PHEV and one of the rare models that is a series hybrid so it drives like a true EV.
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Do you have the leverage to get those brakes as far down as they need to to stop safely?
Hi there friend, would you kindly get the heck out of my nightmares?
Responding to the rest of your comment: I love driving a manual transmission. My first three cars were manuals, and we have two automatics right now, but my next car in a year or so will probably be something fun and agile with a manual. Or EV of course, depending on what's available for the price at the time.
The pool of vehicles that still have MT is getting smaller and smaller each year, at least in north America.
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I just want to point out that you shouldn't forget those behind you. As soon as you can fan out and get out of the way of the people behind you, the faster those people move, and the faster the people behind them reach the door.
A huge part of this problem is that when people get to the bottle neck that's slowing everyone down and making everyone go single file, people take their time getting through it. That's exactly when you need to hurry up and get the fuck out of the way.
It only takes a couple of people to waddle slowly off the plane to set everyone else up to wait several minutes before they can reach the front. And the problem is compounding.
So, what I'm saying here is, stay the fuck out of the way when you're not engaging in the activity of walking off the plane. If you're packing shit up, pulling out your luggage, putting on a sweater or backpack, stand in an isle and let everyone past while you fumble around. When you get off the plane don't stop and stretch and stare at the lights or whatever, move to the side or keep moving at a brisk pace away from the door until you get into a clearing where people can easily move around you.
None of this will make deplaneing fast, but the focus is on not making any slower than it has to be.
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Dude why do you think the airlines are in a hurry? Lol
Everything they do is slow and behind schedule. They do not care, they already have your money. It doesn't save them anything to deboard a couple minutes faster.
Edit: I could probably list several things they could do to for sure save time but they don't do because again, they already have your money
Oh they definitely are to the tunes of millions. I don't have time right now to find the best sources for you but you can look it up if interested there is a lot of published and likely even more industry unpublished data on this. Planing and deplaning speeds do make a difference.
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Do you have the leverage to get those brakes as far down as they need to to stop safely?
Hi there friend, would you kindly get the heck out of my nightmares?
Responding to the rest of your comment: I love driving a manual transmission. My first three cars were manuals, and we have two automatics right now, but my next car in a year or so will probably be something fun and agile with a manual. Or EV of course, depending on what's available for the price at the time.
Hi there friend, would you kindly get the heck out of my nightmares?
I've had brakelines fail, you press the brake, and it just stays down.
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The luggage problem has only got worse and worse over the past decade, and by the airlines' own making. Carriers all started trying to make extra cash by charging for checked luggage, which incentivises people to take carry-on only, up to the maximum size and quantity of carry-on they are permitted.
If bags could be checked for free and people took only an under-seat carry-on for the things they need in flight it wouldn't be a problem, but we know that's never going to happen.
wrote last edited by [email protected]If bags could be checked for free
I'm skeptical. I fly quite often and it is normal for gate agents to openly beg people to gate check their bags (for free) and be faced by a crowd of dead eyed travelers unwilling to part with their max size carry on roller luggage.
I wouldn't discount passengers irrationally hanging onto their luggage for some sense of control.
