Which browser do you use and why?
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Using firefox but concerned now
Firefox. Google removed a valuable addon from their store without justifiable reason and kept it removed because there's not sufficient backlash.
The addon is AdNauseam. It's an improvement on uBlock Origin that clicks adds in addition to hiding them.
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They are better in most of the case, Firefox only is not that good...
Maybe it's just me, but I can't really see how they can be better beyond philosophical reasons.
I guess bringing back stuff like the proper dropdown menu we had in the 2000s would be an example, but I don't expect most of them to do something like that.
I expect most of them to have some kind of gimmick that isn't relevant to how I use a web browser.
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I'm a Firefox user and I'm not really that bothered about this tos changes. If they do mess things up I'll probably just switch to some fork that doesn't do the fuckery.
Wouldn't be surprised if Mint packages Firefox with it (whatever "it" is) disabled, since they build Thunderbird without telemetry.
Practical response.
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You're right but first don't worry the biggest part of people use stock Firefox and secondly Firefox stock is just not as private as a fork
The biggest part of people use Chrome-based browsers.
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Using firefox but concerned now
Firefox. I'm not going to help the Chromium monopoly.
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Maybe it's just me, but I can't really see how they can be better beyond philosophical reasons.
I guess bringing back stuff like the proper dropdown menu we had in the 2000s would be an example, but I don't expect most of them to do something like that.
I expect most of them to have some kind of gimmick that isn't relevant to how I use a web browser.
Privacy, simply better, better anti-fingerprinting.
Sure you can do it with stock Firefox but it's just simpler to have a pre-hardened browser -
I found a decent answer here https://www.reddit.com/r/waterfox/comments/18g8tez/what_am_i_gaining_if_i_switch_from_librewolf_to/
That mod sums up a lot that I found. I don’t know the answer because they both have odd downsides.
Yes they’re both forks!
Didn't Waterfox get bought out by an ad company?
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The biggest part of people use Chrome-based browsers.
Even when using forks of Firefox you are contributing to the Mozilla project and can support it as well
Using librewolf is better than using chrome in term of support for the main devs Mozilla -
Using firefox but concerned now
Zen as main driver because of its features that are on par with Chromium-based_Vivaldi browser_, and LibreWolf on "older" machines or systems that require stability/consistency. Both are awesome to me.
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The fingerprint protections in Librewolf already protect against canvas fingerprinting. You actually make ourself stand out even mkre by using it. Even with RFP disable, ETP still protects against canvas fingerprinting.
Nice, I was unaware, thanks!
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Didn't Waterfox get bought out by an ad company?
yes and then sold and FOSS again!
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Privacy, simply better, better anti-fingerprinting.
Sure you can do it with stock Firefox but it's just simpler to have a pre-hardened browserWhat privacy and fingerprinting concerns are there with Firefox?
simply better
Lol. That's not a reason, ya goof.
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Even when using forks of Firefox you are contributing to the Mozilla project and can support it as well
Using librewolf is better than using chrome in term of support for the main devs MozillaThe thing is that it's not very common for people who use a fork to donate or encourage contributions to Mozilla... most of the people who go for forks do it because they do not trust Mozilla in the first place or don't agree with the decisions they take with the Firefox project.
So if this became the majority of users, I don't think Mozilla would keep developing Firefox, at least not at the level that they are now. In fact, I think even today Mozilla is not seeing much gain in maintaining Firefox, since they are now starting side projects to make money in other ways.
If there was a separate foundation that was started by all these forks to keep a foundation where to build on that isn't connected to Mozilla.. then that would be good in my book. But as things stand, those projects depend on Mozilla.
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Mull browser is deprecated, Ironfox is the community fork
Mull Browser != Mullvad Browser. Just to be clear.
Mull browser is from DivestOS and deprecated. Firefox fork.
Mullvad Browser is still alive and kicking, developed by Mullvad the VPN provider. Developed in partnership with Tor Browser, also a fork of Firefox.
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This is my lead contender now that Firefox is shitting the bed. Any downsides?
Well, the hardening, just as with Tor Browser, does break some sites. It comes preinstalled with NoScript and uBlock Origin, the former of which you will either have to learn how to use or disable, depending on your wants for privacy. While it doesn't include some of the anti-features of base Firefox, it is still based on Firefox so it will have similar performance for similar tasks.
Personally, I use Mullvad for most of my browsing, and Firefox for a few specific things (like staying logged into site long-term and such).
It's available as a flatpak via Flathub for an easy installation, otherwise you can check https://mullvad.net/en/browser/linux for distro-specific installation instructions.
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Using firefox but concerned now
Librewolf & waterfox are fantastic. Zen is interesting but it takes some work if you are used to firefox/Librewolf. Ladybird isn't out yet 🫠
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What privacy and fingerprinting concerns are there with Firefox?
simply better
Lol. That's not a reason, ya goof.
Explore the Arkenfox user.js and you'll see all things that can be improved in Firefox
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Mull Browser != Mullvad Browser. Just to be clear.
Mull browser is from DivestOS and deprecated. Firefox fork.
Mullvad Browser is still alive and kicking, developed by Mullvad the VPN provider. Developed in partnership with Tor Browser, also a fork of Firefox.
You are absolutely correct, I apologize.
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Firefox. Read the new statements on their website and the Full diff of the pull request. Not concerned at all.
Same. I'm not worried, just confused by the new language. It seems unnecessary, but I could end up being flat wrong.
I wish Mozilla would refocus on improving Firefox instead of the AI nonsense they've pursued lately. They havent been perfect, but if i'm going to give any faceless entity the benefit of the doubt, it's Mozilla.
That said, i want the forks to thrive. Librewolf is pretty good. I might check out Pale Moon again to see what has(n't) changed.
Waterfox is also good from what i remember. I used a build of it with KDE global menu support on OpenSuse for years, and i was happy with it the whole time.
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The thing is that it's not very common for people who use a fork to donate or encourage contributions to Mozilla... most of the people who go for forks do it because they do not trust Mozilla in the first place or don't agree with the decisions they take with the Firefox project.
So if this became the majority of users, I don't think Mozilla would keep developing Firefox, at least not at the level that they are now. In fact, I think even today Mozilla is not seeing much gain in maintaining Firefox, since they are now starting side projects to make money in other ways.
If there was a separate foundation that was started by all these forks to keep a foundation where to build on that isn't connected to Mozilla.. then that would be good in my book. But as things stand, those projects depend on Mozilla.
I understand completely your point of view but I wouldn't use the stock Firefox as it's not private enough and it has really bad features
And do you think that most Firefox users donate to Mozilla?
Using Firefox (even a fork) supports the work of Mozilla, like using chromium browser support the work of google
