Mandatory jail term for Nazi salute under new hate crime rules in Australia

[nintendiator@feddit.cl]

about any traffic violation or all fines in general?

Not all "legal offenses" are crimes. Legal systems have categories for a reason. Got caught loitering in the act? That can quite simply be solved by just have you go back to pick up your trash. Some things should not be punishable with jail, some others should, nazism clearly belongs in the later category.

And it probably won’t solve the issue anyway. Just putting people in jail seldom does imo. Yanks have already tried that.

Lemme let you in on a secret:

Yanks don't send people to jail to "solve crime". They don't want to "solve crime". They fill jails to have a cheap abusable workforce. They've even come out saying it openly out loud. Why do you think it's black people or homeless people 90% of the time?

[sunshine@lemmy.ca]

Can Canada do this too?

[demdaru@lemmy.world]

See, I am overall against any and all limits of free speech but...

Yeah. Context matters. And in current world context, good job Australia, hope outher countries take notes.

[kusimulkku@lemm.ee]

Not all “legal offenses” are crimes.

If that's what you feel makes a difference for my argument, let me ask:

"Do you think the same about any crime in general? We should throw people in the jail for a year, mnimum, because otherwise it’s just a tax on not being rich enough for the crime?"

Yanks don’t send people to jail to “solve crime”. They don’t want to “solve crime”. They fill jails to have a cheap abusable workforce. They’ve even come out saying it openly out loud. Why do you think it’s black people or homeless people 90% of the time?

Do you think people behind this think this will solve hate?

[woht24@lemmy.world]

Literal hate crimes, I'm all for. A gesture with your arm gets you 12 months? That's too much, regardless of its origin or meaning.

I'll say, likely wasting my digital breath, I do not support any sort of Nazi bullshit or affiliates. But truly, outlawing gestures is a next level, knee jerk reaction to a problem they don't know what else to do to solve.

[grumpyduckling@sh.itjust.works]

targeting Jewish Australians.

There it is. I'll bet criticizing Isreal is considered anti-semetic too. Meanwhile Aboriginals still don't have rights.

[timewarp@lemmy.world]

I'm not pearl clutching. I'm a free speech absolutist. I support cosplay Nazis right to free just like I support people's rights to call cops pigs, etc. Also gang signs aren't illegal.

You'd be surprised how many times free speech has benefited people. Remember how many up votes praising Luigi Mangione got, now those same people want to eliminate free speech. Good luck to them. I'll just sit here & watch as I get downvoted into oblivion.

[barsoap@lemm.ee]

cosplay

Not what anyone is talking about.

Democrats

Luigi Mangione

You mean the party that co-created the conditions that made that happen. The US is completely cooked politically speaking, you're not a standard or role model for anyone.

[whatyouneed@lemmy.world]

It's a nazi fucken salute mate. What part of it isn't a hate crime?

[timewarp@lemmy.world]

Where are you from? America has become the most successful superpower due to free speech. Go ahead tell us how much we suck. Maybe you should go look in the mirror first though.

[source_of_truth@lemmy.world]

It's illegal to do it "in public". So doing it at work is perfectly fine, as long as it isn't a public place.

[dasus@lemmy.world]

So doing it at work is perfectly fine

Alright. Make me a video of you giving the salute to to your boss during work hours and we'll see how it goes.

[threeme2189@sh.itjust.works]

Maybe he works at Tesla? Hell probably get a raise and employee of the month trophy.

[barsoap@lemm.ee]

Have you watched the news lately.

[threeme2189@sh.itjust.works]

This thread is a fuckin roller-coaster of back and forths!

[jumuta@sh.itjust.works]

A fine works if it's a significant amount of the finee's net worth, but because fines are not scaled proportionally to finee's net worth (or even scaled at all) it's my opinion that these things just work as a paywall, including things like traffic violations.

[kusimulkku@lemm.ee]

You definitely can scale fines for income. We have that in Finland for more serious traffic violations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-fine

I just don't believe the severity of the crime here at the lowest end calls for a year in jail. A fine, a hefty one, would serve the purpose better.

[dasus@lemmy.world]

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

He's a free speech absolutist- when it comes to his own speech.

[flyingsquid@lemmy.world]

Work like at a business open to the public?