Mexican President Threatens to Sue Google Over 'Gulf of America' Label on Maps.
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So you are gonna have to provide a source explaining how the president using an executive order to rename international water is "policy" that Google must follow.
They you'll have to explain why I, as a Canadian, have to see this stupid renaming in parentheses.
If the US truely doesn't have a system beyond "once the president orders it, it's renamed." That's their problem but I don't give a fuck what they call things and I don't know why google thinks I should.
So you are gonna have to provide a source explaining how the president using an executive order to rename international water is “policy” that Google must follow.
It's the executive branch. It would be the same as if Congress did the same, and passed a law saying "The Gulf of Mexico is now the Gulf of America." There's no source required, it's literally how the US Government works, but if you want one; American University Law Review (2009) - The Limits of Executive Power:
The President has broad discretion in choosing how to exercise these implied powers. Second, these implied powers are not plenary in nature. They are subject to three basic limitations: (1) the President may not, without congressional authorization, use these powers to change domestic law or create or alter existing legal obligations; (2) these powers are subject to regulation by Congress; and (3) in the event of a conflict between the exercise of these powers and congressional legislation, the latter prevails.
There's no federal law establishing the name of the Gulf of Mexico, so there's no conflict with the first limitation. No one in Congress is willing to stop him, so no conflict with the second. And there's no conflict with existing congressional legislation, so there's no conflict with the third. So therefore the executive order is within the power of the executive branch.
Because Google is a US company and operates within the US, it has to follow US policy. The President just changed US policy to change the name of the Gulf of Mexico... So they either have to comply or be sued by the executive for not following US policy--which they'll lose.
They you’ll have to explain why I, as a Canadian, have to see this stupid renaming in parentheses.
Because again, Google is a US company. So if you want to see Gulf of Mexico again, use any map provider that isn't from a US company.
If the US truely doesn’t have a system beyond “once the president orders it, it’s renamed.”
That's an extreme oversimplification of what's going on here. But it kinda outlines how important it is to elect good people, huh?
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It’s a US company following US policy as it’s a contract holder for the US Government they’re compelled to follow US policy. Whether anyone likes it or not, at least for right now, US policy is that the Gulf of Mexico for all intents and purposes is the Gulf of America.
We have a bunch of amendments...go look at the first.
I think you KNOW it's because Pichai was there and is part of that club now.
The executive order doesn't conflict with anyone's freedom of speech... The President didn't release an executive order saying "no one is allowed to call it the Gulf of Mexico anymore!"
I'm not going to type it all out again, but here you go: https://lemm.ee/post/55471251/18276179
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So you are gonna have to provide a source explaining how the president using an executive order to rename international water is “policy” that Google must follow.
Exactly
Here you go;
American University Law Review (2009) - The Limits of Executive Power:
The President has broad discretion in choosing how to exercise these implied powers. Second, these implied powers are not plenary in nature. They are subject to three basic limitations: (1) the President may not, without congressional authorization, use these powers to change domestic law or create or alter existing legal obligations; (2) these powers are subject to regulation by Congress; and (3) in the event of a conflict between the exercise of these powers and congressional legislation, the latter prevails.
There's no conflict and therefore within the power of the executive branch.
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You could be wrong. While possibly justified on Google's part, Mexico will most likely sue its Mexican affiliate, and if Google wishes to operate in Mexico, it will have to comply with orders from Mexican courts. See twitter and Brazil for similar case.
That's fully within the right of Mexico as a country, but that has nothing to do with anything that I've said here.
Going forward, the official US policy (because of this executive order) is that it's the Gulf of America. No amount of suing Google will change that.
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Actually the executive order only renames the parts that the US controls, and they don't control the entire gulf
It doesn't "rename" anything. It means the official US position is that the Gulf of Mexico doesn't exist and instead it's the Gulf of America. It's not forcing anyone to call it that other than for official purposes, like in Governmental memos and official US documents, least of all foreign Governments or their people.
The US doesn't own the Gulf. We can't unilaterally change the name. But when the US Government officially refers to the Gulf, it will now be called the Gulf of America. That's what the executive order did.
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This is what I see in England. Why should I have to see what Trump thinks the Gulf's name is when it wasn't renamed here?
Because it's relevant to the region you're looking at and I'm pretty sure the UK hasn't taken a firm/legal stance either way. Also not sure how your comment is supposed to relate to my point? Mexico doesn't have any more right to tell other countries what to call the Gulf than the US or any other country that's totally outside of any sane jurisdiction
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It doesn't "rename" anything. It means the official US position is that the Gulf of Mexico doesn't exist and instead it's the Gulf of America. It's not forcing anyone to call it that other than for official purposes, like in Governmental memos and official US documents, least of all foreign Governments or their people.
The US doesn't own the Gulf. We can't unilaterally change the name. But when the US Government officially refers to the Gulf, it will now be called the Gulf of America. That's what the executive order did.
That's literally what I said my dude, you're just arguing semantics over the use of "renaming"
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Google also removed the ability to suggest edits to specifically the Gulf.
Guess they knew ahead of time they'd get an influx of requests to change or back.
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Alternatives are just not good enough
And to no fault of their own of course. They just aren't working with the same resources as Google and the others.
I think it's more a question of stepping down our level of comfort at this point. Can we live without a particular service that Google provides, when there are no alternatives with feature parity? Or can we live with the fact that some of the features aren't working as well or missing, and use the alternatives anyway?
Exactly. If there were perfectly interchangeable alternatives, there would have been a true competition and those companies wouldn't be holding the amount of power they do today in the first place.
Moving to alternatives requires some degree of effort and giving up on some microconforts. There's no other way. There's no fight without any pain. If we want to fight those companies, we must sacrifice those micro conforts, even if that means reducing tech use as a whole and doing a few things the "old fashioned" way.
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Well, the continent was named America, not the US continent. So the name Gulf of America just sounds right.
Following your logic Lake Michigan should be renamed Lake America. There's a bunch of lakes up there, do they all get renamed Lake of America? Seems confusing!
Here's a list of all the gulfs in the Americas:
North America
- Gulf of Mexico
- Gulf of Alaska
- Gulf of California (Sea of Cortes)
- Gulf of St. Lawrence
- Gulf of Honduras
- Gulf of Panama
- Gulf of Tehuantepec
Central and South America
- Gulf of Darien (Colombia and Panama)
- Gulf of Venezuela
- Gulf of Guayaquil (Ecuador)
Following your logic, they're all badly named because that's just named after the region they're in, not the content.
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That's literally what I said my dude, you're just arguing semantics over the use of "renaming"
It's not at all what you just said. Because it's not renaming.
I honestly don't know how to make this any simpler to digest for you. The EO changes the way the Gulf of Mexico is referenced in official correspondence for the Federal Government. It does not change the name for anyone but the federal government. That's not the same as renaming it. The US doesn't own it and can't rename it.
Google is a Government contractor and is required to follow US policy to keep those contracts, which is why they've also changed it...
Truly I can't make it any simpler.
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Because it's relevant to the region you're looking at and I'm pretty sure the UK hasn't taken a firm/legal stance either way. Also not sure how your comment is supposed to relate to my point? Mexico doesn't have any more right to tell other countries what to call the Gulf than the US or any other country that's totally outside of any sane jurisdiction
There is an international maritime treaty that has taken a firm legal stance. Trump is defying it.
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Republicans are so good at baiting liberals into useless bullshit arguments, while they plunder stuff that actually matters.
Dems and useless virtue-signaling. Name a better duo
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I'm not ignoring it. I'm saying it's just a name. I will continue to call it the Gulf of Mexico for the rest of my life, or probably just "the Gulf". I never used another term for French fries, # is still a pound sign, and I'm not going to worry about this.
You are ignoring it, because you won't address what I said about Denali and forts named after Confederate generals.
You apparently didn't even bother reading what I wrote.
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But it kinda makes sense to be called Gulf of America since it's located in North America.
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But it kinda makes sense to be called Gulf of America since it's located in North America.
It also kind of makes sense to leave the name in place since the world has been calling it the "Gulf of Mexico" mid-1500s. The original name was in reference to the Aztecs.
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There is an international maritime treaty that has taken a firm legal stance. Trump is defying it.
Can you site something for what you're talking about?
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It's not at all what you just said. Because it's not renaming.
I honestly don't know how to make this any simpler to digest for you. The EO changes the way the Gulf of Mexico is referenced in official correspondence for the Federal Government. It does not change the name for anyone but the federal government. That's not the same as renaming it. The US doesn't own it and can't rename it.
Google is a Government contractor and is required to follow US policy to keep those contracts, which is why they've also changed it...
Truly I can't make it any simpler.
I said it renames the part the US controls, this argument of renaming the entire thing is a figment of your imagination, or you're replying to the wrong message. Replace "renamed" with "named" in my sentence and then you have no leg to stand on. Your example is stupid, china is not "a part the US controls", please do not engage in replying to my comments if you're just going to strawman me.
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You are ignoring it, because you won't address what I said about Denali and forts named after Confederate generals.
You apparently didn't even bother reading what I wrote.
Whatever. Enjoy your rant. It's going to be a fun four years for you
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I wish i could add childishness to my pihole blacklist.
Seriously, think about what you are angry about here. Is this what matters to you?
I feel like people who care about something this stupid are either shills for trump or just too damn stupid to see a bigger picture. I'm the latter case I guess I have to give it to Trump: he threw a bone that idiots couldn't pass up.
