why the hell cant men stay out of women-only spaces?
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Thanks for providing a great reason to leave this community.
It's not an airport. You don't need to announce your departure.
It’s not an airport. You don’t need to announce your departure.
I know.
I did it because I wanted to share my point of view, like you have done here. Both of which are admittedly pointless and time wasting endeavors.
Also, I’ve always been a bit skeptical when someone decides to leave a community because they don’t like a post and/or poster. As if they represent the totality of the sub.
It is not about the post or poster, it is about the lack of action from mods in regards to the post or poster. Which is a constant problem in this community that I have noticed, and a good reason to leave it.
I find it funny that you care so much, so thank you for that.
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im so sick of seeing reports regarding men posting in women-only communities and i cant help but get annoyed with these guys.
the rules are clearly presented. either youre not paying attention or youre just an asshole who purposefully throws their opinion in a place explicitly not wanting it.
what the fuck is wrong with you guys?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Personally, I block pretty much all exclusionary communities for a few reasons:
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I frequently do not see the community name before looking at a thread and finding something interesting to converse on, partly because of my neurodivergences. This leads to breaking rules without intending to. Safer to block.
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I sometimes have experienced RSD as a symptom of my neurodivergences and thus intentionally take action to prevent it.
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I value inclusivity and anarchic social organization as fundamental parts of my ethical framework and find social exclusion based upon a person's immutable traits incredibly offensive (the intensity of this is definitely related to my neurodivergences as well).
This is not to say that I don't believe that women deserve a space where they have control and agency, especially with the immense amounts of misogyny on the Internet and meatspace. Nor do they need to consider my feelings nor any other man's when deciding their rules and whether to be inclusive or exclusive.
I do, however, think that the hard-line exclusionary practices diminish the perspective, both for the participants and for men who could definitely use the insights into the bullshit that women have to continue to deal with. Lots of missed opportunity to build understanding and strengthen allyship. It also makes it easier for toxic exclusionary ideologies, like TERFs to take root (every group excluded makes it easier to excuse excluding another) while also preventing people who have not discovered their feminine gender identities from participating in conversation with other women in ways that could help them to uncover important things about themselves.
Anyway, enjoy and I hope that you find your space helpful to you, regardless of what myself or any other man feels about it. If the community does become inclusive, I'd definitely like to to know so that I can unblock it.
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OK, I pulled out a computer for you so I could see the rules side by side with my post because my mobile client doesn't allow it.
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OP came in swinging hot, maybe a little toxic, but there are valid points behind the hot words.
However, OP has shown that they are able to accept other viewpoints from valid arguments (https://lemmy.ca/post/48960508/18080134). So I would argue this is borderline.
I have to say, I have no idea what sealioning is though.
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This isn't a "How do I". This is an open ended attempt (with some frustration) to try to under why members of the community do certain things.
That's my view anyway. What's yours?
This is an open ended attempt (with some frustration) to try to under why members of the community do certain things.
I am fine with not commenting in women-only spaces, but that is very much not what OP is trying to do. OP is venting and using a rhetorical question they don't seem to particularly want an answer to. Is that "requesting support?" Does that extend to emotional/moral support?
I think if the OP is complaining about not following the rules and spirit of a community when posting, it seems appropriate to point out if they are violating the rules (and spirit) of the community they post it in.
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TIL there is women only spaces on the internet. How do you even enforce it?
With difficulty, as demonstrated here.
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How do you know they're not women trolling as men?
Isn't gender a social construct based on self-identification (rather than your physical body) that can be fluid & vary from day to day?
Isn't a woman anyone who claims to be?Some activists even say there is no such thing as a “male body”
A penis is not a male body part. It’s just an unusual body part for a woman.
Messages are genderless.
Are you complaining about unverifiable gender claims on here?
Seems somewhat pointless & untenable.You're reaching.
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Lemmy is a public space. Everyone can participate.
Imagine if lemmy was a physical piece of public land. Could you create a community on it that can only be accessed by women? Something like this village?
There are literally women only bars and women only buses. And women only bathrooms, of course.
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Women are literally being persecuted.
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There are literally women only bars and women only buses. And women only bathrooms, of course.
yeah fair. they aren't community-owned spaces like infrastructure but close enough
now the question is whether the fediverse is closer to public infrastructure or a bar. probably the bar, i'd say.
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Why aren't people checking what community they're about to participate in? That feels like it ought to be standard behaviour
Knowing which community isn't the same as being familiar with that community's rules. Most are going to assume if they see it they can respond in some sort of "normal" fashion. Banning an entire subsection that can still see the community by rule only is asking to have a difficult to enforce rule. Complaining that a difficult to enforce rule is difficult is ... a major lack of self-awareness.
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Knowing which community isn't the same as being familiar with that community's rules. Most are going to assume if they see it they can respond in some sort of "normal" fashion. Banning an entire subsection that can still see the community by rule only is asking to have a difficult to enforce rule. Complaining that a difficult to enforce rule is difficult is ... a major lack of self-awareness.
Knowing which bin isn't the same as being familiar with that bin's rules. Most are going to assume if they see it they can dispose of waste in some sort of "normal" fashion. Banning an entire subsection that can still fit in the bin by rule only is asking to have a difficult to enforce rule. Complaining that a difficult to enforce rule is difficult is ... a major lack of self-awareness.
~A person who throws food waste in the recycle
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Knowing which bin isn't the same as being familiar with that bin's rules. Most are going to assume if they see it they can dispose of waste in some sort of "normal" fashion. Banning an entire subsection that can still fit in the bin by rule only is asking to have a difficult to enforce rule. Complaining that a difficult to enforce rule is difficult is ... a major lack of self-awareness.
~A person who throws food waste in the recycle
There is a MASSIVE difference between a bin with an entirely different color and/or receptacle and just another community thread.
Nice irrelevant strawman, though.
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There is a MASSIVE difference between a bin with an entirely different color and/or receptacle and just another community thread.
Nice irrelevant strawman, though.
There's not. You sound exactly like people who try to justify throwing garbage in a recycling bin
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Women are literally being persecuted.
Welcome to being working class. Write your regime whore to a complaint.
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There's not. You sound exactly like people who try to justify throwing garbage in a recycling bin
You don't even understand your own analogy. Genuinely, pathetic.
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im so sick of seeing reports regarding men posting in women-only communities and i cant help but get annoyed with these guys.
the rules are clearly presented. either youre not paying attention or youre just an asshole who purposefully throws their opinion in a place explicitly not wanting it.
what the fuck is wrong with you guys?
"somegroup"-only communities really feels like discrimination to me
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Those "Women
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Those "Women
" and "Men " people are the worst(for those that don't get it, it's the type of comment you get from people generalizing, discriminating and just being sexist)
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Lmao the thread shows all the exact problems laid bare.
You got the denial guy, you got the false equivalency guy, you got the not all men guy, just incredible they're all here.
Blahaj certified comment
Obviously it's blahaj again
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Blahaj certified comment
Obviously it's blahaj again
Blahaj: discriminating minorities is forbidden, discriminating majorities is allowed
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These comments…
what the fuck is wrong with you guys?
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Community rules are community rules, and you can either follow them or get banned from the community. How is ‘women only’ any different?
As for the excuse of visibility: the rule is very often in the title, and the initial post, yet not followed.
As for the excuse of how they can tell: well if they can’t, okay, you evaded detection. But posts very often declare “I’m a guy and this is my take…”
I honestly don’t get it, especially on an internet “refuge” like Lemmy where users should be sensitive to persecution and the importance of safe, moderated discussion spaces.
safe, moderated discussion spaces
They're the most fake spaces, filled with copium and confirmation bias
