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What do you believe that most people of your political creed don't?

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  • S [email protected]

    If the left you're talking about is the dems, no the fuck they aren't. Dems aren't the ones constantly putting forth bills about Trans people. The most any dem has done is post some milqtoast "trans rights" sticker or something.

    But I agree I think the dems shouldn't have justified the fear mongering about immigrants when the right started screeching about it. But that's also on news orgs justifying it.

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    Yeah it seems it's conservatives who are the ones who like to obsess and make it the topic of discussion to make their followers think it is the left's primary platform of focus.

    And then they also fixate on entertainment like games or movies to further play up how everything is woke as though it's the left politicians making all that.

    And it's because that's really the only compelling thing they have to play up to their followers who too make it their entire identity of conflict, since their other policies aren't working class friendly.

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    • S [email protected]

      I'm far left, but I believe that any citizen should be allowed to own any gun.

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      That's the far-left stance, generally.

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      • kingthrillgore@lemmy.mlK [email protected]

        I don't like extreme leftists (they live in a bubble) but they've been right about everything and they are our best chance at resolving economic disparity

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        I appreciate the recognition, but I think being right implies a lack of living in a bubble, right? Like, we might be annoying, but certainly not detached.

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        • S [email protected]

          Yeah it seems it's conservatives who are the ones who like to obsess and make it the topic of discussion to make their followers think it is the left's primary platform of focus.

          And then they also fixate on entertainment like games or movies to further play up how everything is woke as though it's the left politicians making all that.

          And it's because that's really the only compelling thing they have to play up to their followers who too make it their entire identity of conflict, since their other policies aren't working class friendly.

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          since their other policies aren't working class friendly.

          It can not be stressed enough that every single other policy they have is damaging to the working class. I think that's why they push on transphobia so hard, because it's the only one that doesn't.

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          • J [email protected]

            I believe a person is their brain, and without a brain or equivalent construct, you have no moral weight. This is why I believe it's okay to eat plants. Bacteria, too, are outside of my moral horizon. Foetuses (in the first few weeks at least) similarly are okay to abort.

            By brain I don't mean intelligence, just capacity for conscious feeling. I think stupid people are just as capable of feeling pain as smart people, so both are weighted similarly morally to me.

            It seems reasonable to assert that a single neural cell is not enough on its own to produce consciousness, or if so then it's hardly any. So animals with trivial neural systems are less worthy than humans too. And so on up to large mammals with developed minds in a gradient. Some animals like elephants and whales might be capable of more feeling than humans, and together with their long lifespan might be worth more QALYs than a human altogether.

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            I believe consciousness is an intracellular, not intercellular process. I believe every cell thinks, but nerve cells are more specialized. This isn't just what I choose to believe, we have significant and growing evidence that this is the case. And it is clear, many parts of the body think, when you consider the extremely sophisticated tasks it performs without your conscious thought, even though computation and perhaps even reasoning is required.

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            • J [email protected]

              I do find topics like natalism and deathism quite fascinating. I'm not certain you're correct, but I do think what you're saying is very plausible. I lean more utilitarian, so I find it hard to justify the notion of debt to a specific entity -- after all, if you can do right by the entity you create, shouldn't it be equally good to do right by another entity?

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              Do you agree you have a debt to creatures you fuck into existence with your own genitalia?

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              • S [email protected]

                I'm centrist so I probably believe in something that offends both sides.

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                Hi, Centrist! I'm Offended!

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                • J [email protected]

                  Just wanted to prove that political diversity ain't dead. Remember, don't downvote for disagreements.

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                  You can be Jewish and even support the idea of a Jewish homeland while also being fervently appalled by the actions of the state of Israel (Netanyahu, West Bank settlements, unarmed Palestinians shot/killed, houses being bulldozed).

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                  • S [email protected]

                    Freedom of speech for absolutely everyone, especially people I disagree with and that disagree with me

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                    Also the freedom to punch each other in the sternum

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                    • S [email protected]

                      I think a lot of conversation is "men go to therapy" but therapy alone isn't enough? We kind of cast men off of having all the privilege in the world without recognizing that patriarchy hurts them too, and in lots of facets of their lives in a way that just going to a therapist once a week does not help.

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                      Yeah, therapy is not a viable solution for broad societal issues

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                        It does when you only do it for trans people. This is a common thing that a lot if trans people have experienced so it kinda comes across as being "PC" while not acknowledging their identity.

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                        I suppose that's fair. Most people I know who do this do it for cis people as well though.

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                        • J [email protected]

                          100% agree. I honestly think that in ~2015, the left's failure to appeal to young white men caused them to turn to the alt right. I think we scared them off with things like "check your privilege" etc., and should have focused more on getting them amped about class warfare.

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                          I'm a straight white male that leans left, and ya, I've had friends (who, it's sad to say, are hard to talk to now) who were center go right because they were welcomed with open arms by the right and shat on by the left. Before Elon went on a rant about the dude trying to rescue those trapped kids, before Joe Rogan started leaning into the propaganda for ratings, and when Bernie had a chance, we were on the same page... But since trump got involved, Bernie got shut out, and (it's obvious now) the rich started weaponising the media against us, we have very little media that we consume that's the same.

                          I left reddit, rogan and switched to Lemmy and breaking points, and they have leaned in harder to Rogan and we're drawn down the rabbit hole of tim pool. Everytime I've tried to reason with them I get "what about isms", "the left is more violent", "the left hates everyone", and borderline conspiracy theory non-sense. Even my own mom was pretty center left when I was growing up and now she's bought into the non-sense because that's the media she sees.

                          The right tells good tales, and a lot of people on the left are gate keeping, so... Just by fact of barrier to entry the right is going to be easier to drift towards. I hope we get our shit together.

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                          • F [email protected]

                            Agreed 100%. I'm glad we're collectively starting to realize this. It's a bit late, but hopefully it'll still do good.

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                            Late is better than never

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                              Groen are center left liberals.

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                              With a program that's more leftist than the actual left party, yes

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                              • endymion_mallorn@kbin.melroy.orgE [email protected]

                                Okay, but where is it now?

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                                That’s okay. Sasquatch doesn’t believe in you, either.

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                                • J [email protected]

                                  I think this advice is not very actionable as is, and needs more digesting into more specific strategies.

                                  Like, for instance: let's avoid making people feel rejected by the left for having privilege, and instead focus on guiding privileged people so that they can use their privilege to help the cause.

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                                  I agree. I'm glad you made this post and are actually interacting in the comments to be constructive.

                                  There's a book I was introduced to last year called "good strategy bad strategy" that is worth a read, most of it's somewhat obvious and a little dated as far as examples, but the framing of how to think about strategy is pretty solid. Its an easy read, and like most non fiction books, you get most of the meat in the first half.

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                                  • cowbee@lemmy.mlC [email protected]

                                    So, Social Democrat. I wouldn't call that "left wing," in that it isn't a Socialist platform. It would be "left" in comparison to the status quo, but not enough to be "very very very left wing."

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                                    It would be if you'd compare their program to that of the other left parties here

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                                      It would be if you'd compare their program to that of the other left parties here

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                                      As I said, left of the status quo, but not on the left.

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                                      • J [email protected]

                                        Just wanted to prove that political diversity ain't dead. Remember, don't downvote for disagreements.

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                                        I'm mostly an anarchist. But.

                                        I think that there needs to be some degree of authoritarian, arbitrary power. Mostly because I've been in anarchist groups in the past, and when everyone has input into a decision, shit gets bogged down really fast. Not everyone understand a given issue and will be able to make an informed choice, and letting opinionated-and-ignorant people make choices that affect the whole group is... Not good.

                                        The problem is, I don't know how to balance these competing interests, or exactly where authoritarian power should stop. It's easy to say, well, I should get to make choices about myself, but what about when those individual choices end up impacting other people? For instance, I eat meat, and yet I'm also aware that the cattle industry is a significant source of CO2; my choice, in that case, contributes to climate change, which affects everyone. ...And once you start going down that path, it's really easy to arrive at totalitarianism as the solution.

                                        I also don't know how to hand the issue of trade and commerce, and at what point it crosses the line into capitalism.

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                                        • P [email protected]

                                          With a program that's more leftist than the actual left party, yes

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                                          Oh? Tell me more about their program to overthrow the liberal state and wrestle control of the means of production away from the owning class.

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