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What do you believe that most people of your political creed don't?

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  • P [email protected]

    Y'all don't need to keep adding things to lgbtq or lgbt+. The q or + takes care of everything

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    I'm aro/ace and honestly same. I refuse to use any longer acronym because to me it sounds silly.

    In a similar fashion, I'm also not a major fan of the pride flags with more than the rainbow. It's fine for special occasions in order to draw attention to a cause that needs it, but not as the default. Adding black stripes, the trans flag, and intersex flag all at the same time seems ridiculous to me, and it only invites other groups to feel left out. Adding the black stripes, the trans flag, the intersex flag, or whatever to the flag for some event, protest, or personal reason is great but imo we shouldn't permanently muddy the flag like that.

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    • R [email protected]

      I'm anarchist left, but I do think every human should have the right to defend themself and thereforce should be able to bear arms

      I'm not american if anyone's gonna ask

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      Is that an uncommon stance among Anarchists?

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      • K [email protected]

        This sounds very much like the German electoral system, except in the German system your address and your preferred "group" are relevant. You get two votes, one is for a local representative, the other is just for a party (so you could freely vote for the "gamer" party if it existed), and both votes contribute seats to government.

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        TIL. Thank you.

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        • V [email protected]
          • permanent revolution;
          • that parties should be democratic institutions;
          • that burocratization leads to deformed proletarian states.
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          Are you saying you disagree with Trots on these matters, or that you agree with Trots despite their unique positions among Marxists in general?

          I don't think anyone would disagree with you regarding parties needing to be democratic, so I assume you are referring to a specific type of democracy.

          As for Permanent Revolution, I think that was kind of "debunked" when the peasantry showed itself to be a genuine ally of the proletariat. Abandoning building Socialism because a revolution in Germany never appeared and instead focusing your efforts on exporting revolution ultimately would have led to a lack of developed industry, and a loss in World War II for the Soviets. Communism still requires global revolution, but it makes more sense to build up Socialism domestically and use that to fuel revolution globally than it does to focus almost entirely on the idea of a global revolution.

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          • P [email protected]

            wrong, I support the green party (multi-party system, you should try it)

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            So, Social Democrat. I wouldn't call that "left wing," in that it isn't a Socialist platform. It would be "left" in comparison to the status quo, but not enough to be "very very very left wing."

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              I am very very very left wing, BUT I can get really annoyed with a lot of those "on my side" advocating for the most idealist of all idealism, as if it's a contest. Feels like a competition of "who's the bestest and mostest leftist of all". You scare people away and - not justifying it - but I get why some people get upset with "the left" because of this...

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              Lenin wrote a great book about such people and their failures to get anything done.

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              • S [email protected]

                If the left you're talking about is the dems, no the fuck they aren't. Dems aren't the ones constantly putting forth bills about Trans people. The most any dem has done is post some milqtoast "trans rights" sticker or something.

                But I agree I think the dems shouldn't have justified the fear mongering about immigrants when the right started screeching about it. But that's also on news orgs justifying it.

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                Yeah it seems it's conservatives who are the ones who like to obsess and make it the topic of discussion to make their followers think it is the left's primary platform of focus.

                And then they also fixate on entertainment like games or movies to further play up how everything is woke as though it's the left politicians making all that.

                And it's because that's really the only compelling thing they have to play up to their followers who too make it their entire identity of conflict, since their other policies aren't working class friendly.

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                • S [email protected]

                  I'm far left, but I believe that any citizen should be allowed to own any gun.

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                  That's the far-left stance, generally.

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                  • kingthrillgore@lemmy.mlK [email protected]

                    I don't like extreme leftists (they live in a bubble) but they've been right about everything and they are our best chance at resolving economic disparity

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                    I appreciate the recognition, but I think being right implies a lack of living in a bubble, right? Like, we might be annoying, but certainly not detached.

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                    • S [email protected]

                      Yeah it seems it's conservatives who are the ones who like to obsess and make it the topic of discussion to make their followers think it is the left's primary platform of focus.

                      And then they also fixate on entertainment like games or movies to further play up how everything is woke as though it's the left politicians making all that.

                      And it's because that's really the only compelling thing they have to play up to their followers who too make it their entire identity of conflict, since their other policies aren't working class friendly.

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                      since their other policies aren't working class friendly.

                      It can not be stressed enough that every single other policy they have is damaging to the working class. I think that's why they push on transphobia so hard, because it's the only one that doesn't.

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                      • J [email protected]

                        I believe a person is their brain, and without a brain or equivalent construct, you have no moral weight. This is why I believe it's okay to eat plants. Bacteria, too, are outside of my moral horizon. Foetuses (in the first few weeks at least) similarly are okay to abort.

                        By brain I don't mean intelligence, just capacity for conscious feeling. I think stupid people are just as capable of feeling pain as smart people, so both are weighted similarly morally to me.

                        It seems reasonable to assert that a single neural cell is not enough on its own to produce consciousness, or if so then it's hardly any. So animals with trivial neural systems are less worthy than humans too. And so on up to large mammals with developed minds in a gradient. Some animals like elephants and whales might be capable of more feeling than humans, and together with their long lifespan might be worth more QALYs than a human altogether.

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                        I believe consciousness is an intracellular, not intercellular process. I believe every cell thinks, but nerve cells are more specialized. This isn't just what I choose to believe, we have significant and growing evidence that this is the case. And it is clear, many parts of the body think, when you consider the extremely sophisticated tasks it performs without your conscious thought, even though computation and perhaps even reasoning is required.

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                        • J [email protected]

                          I do find topics like natalism and deathism quite fascinating. I'm not certain you're correct, but I do think what you're saying is very plausible. I lean more utilitarian, so I find it hard to justify the notion of debt to a specific entity -- after all, if you can do right by the entity you create, shouldn't it be equally good to do right by another entity?

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                          Do you agree you have a debt to creatures you fuck into existence with your own genitalia?

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                          • S [email protected]

                            I'm centrist so I probably believe in something that offends both sides.

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                            Hi, Centrist! I'm Offended!

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                            • J [email protected]

                              Just wanted to prove that political diversity ain't dead. Remember, don't downvote for disagreements.

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                              You can be Jewish and even support the idea of a Jewish homeland while also being fervently appalled by the actions of the state of Israel (Netanyahu, West Bank settlements, unarmed Palestinians shot/killed, houses being bulldozed).

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                              • S [email protected]

                                Freedom of speech for absolutely everyone, especially people I disagree with and that disagree with me

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                                Also the freedom to punch each other in the sternum

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                                • S [email protected]

                                  I think a lot of conversation is "men go to therapy" but therapy alone isn't enough? We kind of cast men off of having all the privilege in the world without recognizing that patriarchy hurts them too, and in lots of facets of their lives in a way that just going to a therapist once a week does not help.

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                                  Yeah, therapy is not a viable solution for broad societal issues

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                                  • C [email protected]

                                    It does when you only do it for trans people. This is a common thing that a lot if trans people have experienced so it kinda comes across as being "PC" while not acknowledging their identity.

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                                    I suppose that's fair. Most people I know who do this do it for cis people as well though.

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                                    • J [email protected]

                                      100% agree. I honestly think that in ~2015, the left's failure to appeal to young white men caused them to turn to the alt right. I think we scared them off with things like "check your privilege" etc., and should have focused more on getting them amped about class warfare.

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                                      I'm a straight white male that leans left, and ya, I've had friends (who, it's sad to say, are hard to talk to now) who were center go right because they were welcomed with open arms by the right and shat on by the left. Before Elon went on a rant about the dude trying to rescue those trapped kids, before Joe Rogan started leaning into the propaganda for ratings, and when Bernie had a chance, we were on the same page... But since trump got involved, Bernie got shut out, and (it's obvious now) the rich started weaponising the media against us, we have very little media that we consume that's the same.

                                      I left reddit, rogan and switched to Lemmy and breaking points, and they have leaned in harder to Rogan and we're drawn down the rabbit hole of tim pool. Everytime I've tried to reason with them I get "what about isms", "the left is more violent", "the left hates everyone", and borderline conspiracy theory non-sense. Even my own mom was pretty center left when I was growing up and now she's bought into the non-sense because that's the media she sees.

                                      The right tells good tales, and a lot of people on the left are gate keeping, so... Just by fact of barrier to entry the right is going to be easier to drift towards. I hope we get our shit together.

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                                      • F [email protected]

                                        Agreed 100%. I'm glad we're collectively starting to realize this. It's a bit late, but hopefully it'll still do good.

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                                        Late is better than never

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                                        • B [email protected]

                                          Groen are center left liberals.

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                                          With a program that's more leftist than the actual left party, yes

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